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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] virtio-net: clarify coalescing parameters settings
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 03:26:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240625032237-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1718591738.670476-6-hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 10:35:38AM +0800, Heng Qi wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 19:03:11 -0400, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 12:47:02PM +0800, Heng Qi wrote:
> > > The device can set any initial coalescing parameters (0 or non-zero)
> > > for the receive/send queue before the setting command is executed,
> > > not just 0, enhancing device performance even without DIM enabled.
> > > 
> > > So we need to clarify descriptions that don't fit the behavior.
> > > 
> > > Fixes: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/virtio-spec/issues/194
> > > Suggested-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>
> > > Reviewed-by: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
> > > Reviewed-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> > > v4->v5:
> > >   - Add RB tags from Parav and Jason. Thanks!
> > > 
> > > v3->v4:
> > >   - Doesn't force the device to remember more stuff. @Parav
> > > 
> > > v2->v3:
> > >   - Clarify description to be more generic. @Parav
> > > 
> > > v1->v2:
> > >   - Update description. @Jason
> > > 
> > >  device-types/net/description.tex | 14 +++++++++++---
> > >  1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/device-types/net/description.tex b/device-types/net/description.tex
> > > index 61cce1f..00c1b36 100644
> > > --- a/device-types/net/description.tex
> > > +++ b/device-types/net/description.tex
> > > @@ -1803,6 +1803,14 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
> > >                                          for an enabled transmit/receive virtqueue whose index is \field{vq_index}.
> > >  \end{enumerate}
> > >  
> > > +If the VIRTIO_NET_F_NOTF_COAL or VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL feature is negotiated,
> > > +the device may apply any coalescing parameters to each transmit/receive virtqueue
> > > +before the driver successfully performs one of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL set commands.
> > 
> > may outside of conformance section, not good.
> 
> This is outside of the conformance section. Do you want inside?

needs to be rephrased to avoid using reserved keywords.

> > 
> > > +
> > > +The driver can query the coalescing parameters of any enabled transmit/receive
> > > +virtqueue using the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_VQ_GET command, before or after any
> > > +VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL set command is done.
> > > +
> > 
> > Vague. There are just 3 set commands ust list them.
> > 
> > >  The device may generate notifications more or less frequently than specified by set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class.
> > >  
> > >  If coalescing parameters are being set, the device applies the last coalescing parameters set for a
> > 
> > This needs more work but I guess we can skip the above part.
> > 
> > > @@ -1885,17 +1893,17 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
> > >  VIRTIO_NET_ERR if the designated virtqueue is not an enabled transmit or receive virtqueue.
> > >  
> > >  Upon disabling and re-enabling a transmit virtqueue, the device MUST set the coalescing parameters of the virtqueue
> > > -to those configured through the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_TX_SET command, or, if the driver did not set any TX coalescing parameters, to 0.
> > > +to those configured through the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_TX_SET command, or, if the driver did not set any TX coalescing parameters, the device MAY initialize them to any values.
> > >  
> > 
> > If device does not initialize them then what?
> 
> The device's customized behavior, at least, does not conform to the spec.

Then why do you say "may"?


> > Actually something like 
> > 0 -> the default TX coalescing parameters chosen by the device?
> 
> Deefault coalescing parameters should also have a concrete "value".

and I just proposed how to say this in a clear way.


> > 
> > 
> > >  Upon disabling and re-enabling a receive virtqueue, the device MUST set the coalescing parameters of the virtqueue
> > > -to those configured through the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_RX_SET command, or, if the driver did not set any RX coalescing parameters, to 0.
> > > +to those configured through the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_RX_SET command, or, if the driver did not set any RX coalescing parameters, the device MAY initialize them to any values.
> > >  
> > >  The behavior of the device in response to set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class is best-effort:
> > >  the device MAY generate notifications more or less frequently than specified.
> > >  
> > >  A device SHOULD NOT send used buffer notifications to the driver if the notifications are suppressed, even if the notification conditions are met.
> > >  
> > > -Upon reset, a device MUST initialize all coalescing parameters to 0.
> > > +Upon reset, a device MAY set any coalescing parameters for all transmit and receive virtqueues.
> > 
> > Confusing.
> > This seems to allow any vq to have a different set of parameters.
> 
> YES.
> 
> > Now if driver calls VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_RX_SET then what?
> > 
> 
> Then the coalescing parameters of all RX queues are updated to the values
> set by VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_RX_SET, and the coalescing parameters of all
> TX queues continue to retain the previous values.
> 
> Thanks.

It's not at all nice that there's apparently no way for driver to
get back to the default values.


> > 
> > >  
> > >  \paragraph{Device Statistics}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Device Statistics}
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >  
> > > -- 
> > > 2.32.0.3.g01195cf9f
> > 


      reply	other threads:[~2024-06-25  7:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-28  4:47 [PATCH v5] virtio-net: clarify coalescing parameters settings Heng Qi
2024-05-28  4:50 ` Heng Qi
2024-05-31  6:36   ` Heng Qi
2024-05-31  9:39     ` Cornelia Huck
2024-06-07 20:02 ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-08  2:34   ` Heng Qi
2024-06-10 12:46     ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-10 13:35       ` Heng Qi
2024-06-10 14:50         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-10 15:12           ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-11 14:04           ` Cornelia Huck
2024-06-10 20:19         ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-11 10:40           ` Heng Qi
2024-06-11 16:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-11 17:43               ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-13  6:13                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-17  2:27                   ` Heng Qi
2024-06-17 23:31                     ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-20  7:40                       ` Heng Qi
2024-06-21  1:21                         ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-21  3:24                           ` Heng Qi
2024-06-21 23:46                             ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-22  1:34                               ` Heng Qi
2024-06-25  4:51                                 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-25  5:56                                   ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-26  1:14                                     ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-27 10:37                                       ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-27 11:27                                         ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:35                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 12:45                                           ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:52                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 13:03                                               ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 14:59                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 17:27                                               ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-27 17:14                                           ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-27 22:18                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-28  6:56                                               ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-28  8:23                                                 ` Jason Wang
2024-06-28 19:31                                                   ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-30 17:04                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-03  6:09                                                     ` Jason Wang
2024-07-02 20:37                                                   ` Halil Pasic
2024-07-02 21:04                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-03  5:01                                                     ` Jason Wang
2024-06-29  6:47                                           ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-30 16:55                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-02 21:43                                               ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-27 12:13                                       ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:42                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-25  7:53                               ` Jason Wang
2024-06-25  8:06                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-25  8:13                                   ` Jason Wang
2024-06-25  8:21                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-11 23:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-17  2:35   ` Heng Qi
2024-06-25  7:26     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]

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