From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@amd.com>
Cc: "Parav Pandit" <parav@nvidia.com>,
"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
"jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
"virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev" <virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev>,
"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V7 v7] virtio: introduce SUSPEND bit in device status
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:45:54 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240903054018-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <928aa775-c934-4d3e-bd38-48fb6c374fc7@amd.com>
On Tue, Sep 03, 2024 at 05:05:40PM +0800, Zhu Lingshan wrote:
> >> Are there any similar
> >> constraining for other states like RESET or DRIVER_OK? Don't assume any
> >> other states transitions are faster than SUSPEND.
> > DRIVER_OK does not suffer from it because it is async notification.
> > A device may start slow after DRIVER_OK.
> > SUSPEND operation cannot rely on such async behavior.
> The driver can set suspend and re-read & wait. This is a common routine in the driver.
I don't buy all this talk about special machinery, some 10 nor gates,
the cost is in the noise - we are talking about cards with several
ARM processors on chip.
But I don't like it that looking at the registers, one does not know
the device state. Hidden state is bad for debuggability.
We have 4 states:
suspending->suspended->resuming->resumed
so we need a register with at least 2 bits.
we could steal 2 bits from status but it seems a bit much.
> > RESET also suffers from similar inefficiencies.
> > But that is because it is inherited from the past.
> >
> > Here a new functionality is being proposed and it has a chance for efficient device implementation.
> > Therefore the request is to improve it.
> sure, as long as we confirm this new register apply for all device status transitions, not only for SUSPEND.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-03 9:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-08-01 11:35 [PATCH V7 v7] virtio: introduce SUSPEND bit in device status Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13 4:42 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13 5:44 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13 5:50 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13 6:14 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13 6:55 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-15 8:23 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 9:34 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-30 2:31 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-30 3:02 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03 9:05 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-03 9:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2024-09-03 10:09 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03 10:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-03 10:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-04 3:07 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-04 4:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-04 6:31 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-04 6:38 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-04 6:46 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 7:14 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05 7:16 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 7:29 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05 7:35 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 8:30 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05 8:41 ` David Stevens
2024-09-06 1:53 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 7:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05 7:31 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05 7:34 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 6:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05 7:12 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05 8:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05 9:09 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-06 1:54 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 23:51 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-11 3:52 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-11 10:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-12 2:05 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-12 5:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-24 7:35 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-24 23:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-25 3:47 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-25 11:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-27 4:08 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-29 17:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-10-17 6:56 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-03 10:28 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 7:20 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-30 2:32 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-15 10:59 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-15 15:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-17 5:19 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-30 2:37 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-30 3:10 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03 8:51 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-03 8:55 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03 9:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05 7:27 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-24 23:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13 7:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13 7:58 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13 8:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13 8:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-15 9:12 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-30 2:20 ` Zhu Lingshan
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