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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@amd.com>
Cc: "Parav Pandit" <parav@nvidia.com>,
	"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev" <virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V7 v7] virtio: introduce SUSPEND bit in device status
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:45:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240903054018-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <928aa775-c934-4d3e-bd38-48fb6c374fc7@amd.com>

On Tue, Sep 03, 2024 at 05:05:40PM +0800, Zhu Lingshan wrote:
> >> Are there any similar
> >> constraining for other states like RESET or DRIVER_OK? Don't assume any
> >> other states transitions are faster than SUSPEND.
> > DRIVER_OK does not suffer from it because it is async notification.
> > A device may start slow after DRIVER_OK.
> > SUSPEND operation cannot rely on such async behavior.
> The driver can set suspend and re-read & wait. This is a common routine in the driver.

I don't buy all this talk about special machinery, some 10 nor gates,
the cost is in the noise - we are talking about cards with several
ARM processors on chip.

But I don't like it that looking at the registers, one does not know
the device state. Hidden state is bad for debuggability.
We have 4 states:
suspending->suspended->resuming->resumed
so we need a register with at least 2 bits.

we could steal 2 bits from status but it seems a bit much.



> > RESET also suffers from similar inefficiencies.
> > But that is because it is inherited from the past.
> >
> > Here a new functionality is being proposed and it has a chance for efficient device implementation.
> > Therefore the request is to improve it.
> sure, as long as we confirm this new register apply for all device status transitions, not only for SUSPEND.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-03  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-01 11:35 [PATCH V7 v7] virtio: introduce SUSPEND bit in device status Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13  4:42 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13  5:44   ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13  5:50     ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13  6:14       ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13  6:55         ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-15  8:23           ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15  9:34             ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-30  2:31               ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-30  3:02                 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03  9:05                   ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-03  9:45                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2024-09-03 10:09                       ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03 10:35                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-03 10:37                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-04  3:07                             ` Jason Wang
2024-09-04  4:02                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-04  6:31                                 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-04  6:38                                   ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-04  6:46                                     ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  7:14                                       ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  7:16                                         ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  7:29                                           ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  7:35                                             ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  8:30                                               ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  8:41                                                 ` David Stevens
2024-09-06  1:53                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  7:17                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05  7:31                                           ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  7:34                                             ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  6:51                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05  7:12                                       ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  8:12                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05  9:09                                           ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-06  1:54                                             ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 23:51                                           ` Jason Wang
2024-09-11  3:52                                             ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-11 10:20                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-12  2:05                                               ` Jason Wang
2024-09-12  5:44                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-24  7:35                                                   ` Jason Wang
2024-09-24 23:05                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-25  3:47                                                       ` Jason Wang
2024-09-25 11:17                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-27  4:08                                                           ` Jason Wang
2024-09-29 17:55                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-10-17  6:56                                                               ` Jason Wang
2024-09-03 10:28                     ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  7:20                       ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:45             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-30  2:32               ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:52           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-15 10:59             ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-15 15:07               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-17  5:19                 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-30  2:37                 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-30  3:10                   ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03  8:51                     ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-03  8:55                       ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03  9:36                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05  7:27                         ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-24 23:07                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13  7:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13  7:58     ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13  8:03       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13  8:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-15  9:12   ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:50     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-30  2:20       ` Zhu Lingshan

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