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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org>
Cc: Bertrand Marquis <Bertrand.Marquis@arm.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	"Bill Mills (bill.mills@linaro.org)" <bill.mills@linaro.org>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev" <virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Edgar E . Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@amd.com>,
	Arnaud Pouliquen <arnaud.pouliquen@foss.st.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Alex Bennee <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	Armelle Laine <armellel@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/4] virtio-msg transport layer
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2026 05:22:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260225051849-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dyiwq5xhqeoaqmzquzzx4wxsptm6uvrnfgspi6vmcaucq6jn4l@6dvya4te4vsj>

On Wed, Feb 25, 2026 at 03:36:36PM +0530, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
> > > But that being said, I somewhat agree with Parav that we should define the bus
> > > implementations in the spec to avoid fixing the ABI in the implementations. For
> > > instance, if we try to use this transport over PCI, we've got questions like:
> > >
> > > 1. How the device should be bind to the virtio-msg-pci bus driver and not with
> > > the existing virtio-pci driver? Should it use a new Vendor ID or Sub-IDs?
> > 
> > One bus is appearing as one pci device with its own Vendor ID,
> > 
> 
> What should be the 'own Vendor ID' here?
> 
> The existing virtio-pci driver binds to all devices with the Vendor ID of
> PCI_VENDOR_ID_REDHAT_QUMRANET. So are you expecting the Vendors to use their own
> VID for exposing the Virtio devices? That would mean, the drivers on the host
> need update as well, which will not scale.
> 
> It would be good if the existing virtio-pci devices can use this new transport
> with only device side modifications.

ah maybe i misuderstand. you do not mean do not change drivers.
you mean a generic driver for everyone?

there are several ways to address this in pci
- use a shared vendor/device id: worked so far reasonably well for virtio.
  we can allocate a new range of device ids or a new vendor id.

- class / prog ifc
  it seems like a cleaner solution but will preclude declaring e.g.
  a virtio net interface as a network interface.



-- 
MST


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-25 10:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-26 16:32 [PATCH v1 0/4] virtio-msg transport layer Bill Mills
2026-01-26 16:32 ` [PATCH v1 1/4] virtio-msg: add new command for bus normative Bill Mills
2026-02-03 19:42   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2026-01-26 16:32 ` [PATCH v1 2/4] virtio-msg: Add virtio-msg, a message based virtio transport layer Bill Mills
2026-02-06 16:28   ` Peter Hilber
2026-02-10  9:39     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-12 11:16       ` Peter Hilber
2026-02-20  8:23         ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-26 13:53           ` Peter Hilber
2026-02-13 19:09   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-20  8:52     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-21  2:04       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-23  7:44         ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-24 15:41   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-24 16:14     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-24 17:36     ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2026-02-24 17:14   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-24 17:20     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-24 17:46       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25  7:26         ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 12:36   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 12:46     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-01-26 16:32 ` [PATCH v1 3/4] virtio-msg: link virtio-msg content Bill Mills
2026-02-03 19:43   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2026-01-26 16:32 ` [PATCH v1 4/4] virtio-msg: add conformance entries in conformance chapter Bill Mills
2026-02-03 19:43   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2026-01-26 21:47 ` [PATCH v1 0/4] virtio-msg transport layer Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-03 13:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-03 19:48   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2026-02-03 19:55     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-04  8:33   ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-04 13:50   ` Arnaud POULIQUEN
2026-02-04  3:29 ` Viresh Kumar
2026-02-04  5:34 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-13 13:52 ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-13 19:45   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-19 17:31     ` Armelle Laine
2026-02-20  8:55     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-19 23:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-20  6:13     ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-20  9:02       ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25  7:45         ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-25  8:03           ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25  8:12             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25 10:06             ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-25 10:10               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25 10:14               ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 10:22               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-02-25 10:53                 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-25 10:24               ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-25 10:35                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 10:52                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25 10:55                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 10:58                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25 14:45                   ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-25 14:49                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25 14:53                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 15:00                         ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-25 15:07                           ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-25 15:12                             ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 15:15                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25 15:36                               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 15:40                                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 15:48                                   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 15:51                                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 16:15                                       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-26  5:40                               ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-26  7:05                                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 15:11                           ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-25 15:15                             ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-26  5:36                               ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-26  5:59                                 ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-26  6:19                                   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-26  7:01                                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-26  7:28                                   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-26 19:20                                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-26 22:08                                   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2026-02-25 15:23                           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 16:42                         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2026-02-25 12:53           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 13:09             ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-02-25 13:12               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 13:29                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 15:19                   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 15:27                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-20 10:03       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25  5:09         ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-25  7:25           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25  9:18             ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-25  9:22               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25  9:35                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25  9:54                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-25 10:01                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 10:08                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-20  8:58     ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-20  8:40   ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25  4:58     ` Parav Pandit
2026-02-25  7:52       ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 12:46         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 13:05           ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-25 13:09             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 15:17         ` Bertrand Marquis
2026-02-24 17:57 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-25 15:21   ` Alex Bennée
2026-02-25 15:46     ` Demi Marie Obenour

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