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From: Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@amd.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev" <virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V7 v7] virtio: introduce SUSPEND bit in device status
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:51:18 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3bbab011-d4b6-463a-a092-cc3d4535cdc8@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <IA0PR12MB8713FA354FBC958CAA85BD80DC972@IA0PR12MB8713.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>



On 8/30/2024 11:10 AM, Parav Pandit wrote:
>
>> From: Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@amd.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 8:07 AM
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/2024 11:07 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 10:59:45AM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
>>>>> From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2024 4:23 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 06:55:04AM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
>>>>>> That means, PCI HW needs to return suspend=0, until the device is
>>>>>> not
>>>>> suspended.
>>>>>> In this example, the device cannot build special circuitry to
>>>>>> answer
>>>>> suspend=true within 50nsec, or in other words building special
>>>>> circuitry to return suspend=false is too complex for the slow operation.
>>>>>> If this understanding of burden is clear,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposal is, can you please extend the interface such that,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. driver writes suspend command.
>>>>>> 2. driver reads suspend_status, and receives not_completed=(false).
>>>>>> This is
>>>>> the default value.
>>>>>> 3. When the device completes suspend, it changes the polarity of
>>>>> suspend_status=true.
>>>>>> This has two main benefits:
>>>>>> [A] This will enable software-based devices to write data to slow
>>>>>> files and
>>>>> does not have to force VM_EXITs.
>>>>>> [B] It also enables hw based devices to not build special circuitry
>>>>>> to answer
>>>>> within 50nsec, which can get very complicated for tens or hundreds
>>>>> of PCI PFs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read this several times, and I don't understand what is proposed.
>>>>> A special register for suspend/resume? Is this the difference?
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, a command register for suspend/resume operation.
>>>> And device_status new bit that Lingshan defined returns the status of this
>> operation.
>>>
>>> Ugh, it's all quite messy IMHO.
>>> We have 4 states:
>>> - operational (resumed)
>>> - suspend in progress
>>> - suspended
>>> - resume in progress
>>>
>>> What I'd do then is a two bit register.
>>> To suspend:
>>> - write suspend in progress
>>> - re-read, waiting until suspended
>>> To resume
>>> - write resume in progress
>>> - re-read, waiting until operational (resumed)
>>>
>>> How does this sound?
>> This can work for sure. but is it a must?
>> I mean, the driver has its own knowledge of how it operate the device.
>> When device presents SUSPEND == 0, It know whether the device is in
>> normal operational state or in the progress of SUSPENDING.
>>
>> But if you think we should add a new register which applying for all
>> device_status transitions, NOT only for SUSPEND. we can surely do that.
>>
>> Thanks
> New register beyond suspend+resume can be useful too.
> For sure it will simplify the suspend + resume flow.
There should be no difference in how the driver handles SUSPEND
and other device status like RESET.

If we want to add a new register, then it is not only for SUSPEND,
but for all status transitions. 
We need Michael to confirm we should implement this new register
that apply to all device_status transitions for common interests.

Thanks
>


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-03  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-01 11:35 [PATCH V7 v7] virtio: introduce SUSPEND bit in device status Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13  4:42 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13  5:44   ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13  5:50     ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13  6:14       ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-13  6:55         ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-15  8:23           ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15  9:34             ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-30  2:31               ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-30  3:02                 ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03  9:05                   ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-03  9:45                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-03 10:09                       ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03 10:35                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-03 10:37                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-04  3:07                             ` Jason Wang
2024-09-04  4:02                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-04  6:31                                 ` Jason Wang
2024-09-04  6:38                                   ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-04  6:46                                     ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  7:14                                       ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  7:16                                         ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  7:29                                           ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  7:35                                             ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  8:30                                               ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  8:41                                                 ` David Stevens
2024-09-06  1:53                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  7:17                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05  7:31                                           ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  7:34                                             ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  6:51                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05  7:12                                       ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-05  8:12                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05  9:09                                           ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-06  1:54                                             ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05 23:51                                           ` Jason Wang
2024-09-11  3:52                                             ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-11 10:20                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-12  2:05                                               ` Jason Wang
2024-09-12  5:44                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-24  7:35                                                   ` Jason Wang
2024-09-24 23:05                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-25  3:47                                                       ` Jason Wang
2024-09-25 11:17                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-27  4:08                                                           ` Jason Wang
2024-09-29 17:55                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-10-17  6:56                                                               ` Jason Wang
2024-09-03 10:28                     ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-05  7:20                       ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:45             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-30  2:32               ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:52           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-15 10:59             ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-15 15:07               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-17  5:19                 ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-30  2:37                 ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-30  3:10                   ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03  8:51                     ` Zhu Lingshan [this message]
2024-09-03  8:55                       ` Parav Pandit
2024-09-03  9:36                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-09-05  7:27                         ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-09-24 23:07                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13  7:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13  7:58     ` Parav Pandit
2024-08-13  8:03       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-13  8:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-15  9:12   ` Zhu Lingshan
2024-08-15 10:50     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-30  2:20       ` Zhu Lingshan

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