[virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH v2] virtio-tee: Reserve device ID 46 for TEE device

[Rijo Thomas <Rijo-john.Thomas@amd.com>]

On 9/26/2023 1:19 PM, Sumit Garg wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sept 2023 at 12:53, Rijo Thomas <Rijo-john.Thomas@amd.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/26/2023 12:14 PM, Sumit Garg wrote:
>>> +cc Alex
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Sept 2023 at 08:16, Jens Wiklander <jens.wiklander@linaro.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> [+cc Arnd]
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 8:00 AM Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +cc Jens
>>>>>
>>>>>> In a virtual environment, an application running in guest VM may want
>>>>>> to delegate security sensitive tasks to a Trusted Application (TA)
>>>>>> running within a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE). A TEE is a trusted
>>>>>> OS running in some secure environment, for example, TrustZone on ARM
>>>>>> CPUs, or a separate secure co-processor etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been exploring this area quite recently with an effort to have a common VIRIO interface which can support different trusted OS implementations. I guess you intend to test it with AMD-TEE, right? Any plans to test it with OP-TEE? As currently we have these two supported upstream.
>>>>>
>> Yes, we have tested with AMD-TEE. We have not yet tested with OP-TEE. Sure, we will try it out.
> 
> Glad to hear that. I can help get it tested with OP-TEE as well.
> 

We will test it out internally. Shall let you know in case we need help.

>>
>>>>> Do you currently have any virtio frontend/backend implementations for this?
>>>>>
>>
>> Yes, we have. Frontend is a Linux virtio-TEE driver, and backend is virtio-TEE device emulated in QEMU.
>> We used the Xen hypervisor.
> 
> Can you share corresponding references? I can give it a try using Qemu with KVM.
> 

We will share it in next couple of weeks. We have not yet hosted the code for external consumption.

>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A virtual TEE device emulates a TEE within a guest VM. Such a virtual
>>>>>> TEE device supports multiple operations such as:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_OPEN_DEVICE – Open a communication channel with virtio
>>>>>>                              TEE device.
>>>>>> VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_CLOSE_DEVICE – Close communication channel with virtio
>>>>>>                               TEE device.
>>>>>> VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_GET_VERSION – Get version of virtio TEE.
>>>>>> VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_OPEN_SESSION – Open a session to communicate with
>>>>>>                               trusted application running in TEE.
>>>>>> VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_CLOSE_SESSION – Close a session to end communication
>>>>>>                                with trusted application running in TEE.
>>>>>> VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_INVOKE_FUNC – Invoke a command or function in trusted
>>>>>>                              application running in TEE.
>>>>>> VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_CANCEL_REQ – Cancel an ongoing command within TEE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How about shared memory support? We would like to register guest pages with the trusted OS.
>> We have a command VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_REGISTER_MEM for registering shared memory buffer with Trusted OS.
> 
> I suppose the commit message has to be appended then. Do you have the
> draft virtio-tee device specification ready for review? I would be
> interested to review that.
> 

Yes, the command is missed out in the commit message.

We are in the process of preparing virtio-tee device specification. We will be sending it out to this
list.

>>
>> In this command, the guest pages are copied into a shadow buffer in the host OS. And this shadow
>> buffer is mapped with Trusted OS. So, buffer-copy is involved.
>>
>> One limitation, that we had was that the guest pages were non-contiguous. So, the number of physical
>> pages that had to be mapped with Trusted OS was exceeding 64 entries when we were testing out the
>> registering of guest pages. AMD-TEE Trusted OS can map a physically non-contiguous buffer, but the
>> number of sg entries for such a buffer must be less than 64. So, we resorted to using a shadow buffer
>> that is allocated within host, and gets mapped with Trusted OS.
> 
> I don't think OP-TEE OS has such a limitation on non-contiguous pages.
> So I would suggest you to keep VIRTIO_TEE_CMD_REGISTER_MEM as part of
> the ABI. It can be an optional feature for a particular trusted OS
> implementation to support.
> 

Currently, the reg_mem (register memory) control is dictated by a flag in virtio-tee qemu code. This flag
for our testing was hard-coded as false. We will enhance our code, so that it is configurable. The value
of reg_mem shall be set to true/false depending upon whether the underlying TEE driver reports TEE_GEN_CAP_REG_MEM.

Thanks,
Rijo

> -Sumit
> 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rijo
>>
>>>>
>>>> Coincidently Arnd and I (among others) discussed this in person last
>>>> week and the conclusion was that only temporary shared memory is
>>>> possible with virtio. So the shared memory has to be set up and torn
>>>> down by the host during each operation, typically open-session or
>>>> invoke-func.
>>>
>>> Agree as I was part of those discussions. But I would like to
>>> understand the reasoning behind it. Is there any restriction by VIRTIO
>>> specification that we can't register guest page PAs to a device (TEE
>>> in our case) to allow for zero copy transfers?
>>>
>>> Alex mentioned some references to virtio GPU device. I suppose I need
>>> to dive into its implementation to see if there are any similarities
>>> to our use-case.
>>>
>>>> That might not be optimal if trying to maximize
>>>> performance, but it is portable.
>>>
>>> IMO, the ABI should be flexible enough to support a TEE with optimum
>>> performance.
>>>
>>> -Sumit
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jens
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sumit
>>>>>
>>>>>> We would like to reserve device ID 46 for Virtio-TEE device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jeshwanth Kumar <jeshwanthkumar.nk@amd.com>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>  content.tex | 2 ++
>>>>>>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
>>>>>> index 0a62dce..644aa4a 100644
>>>>>> --- a/content.tex
>>>>>> +++ b/content.tex
>>>>>> @@ -739,6 +739,8 @@ \chapter{Device Types}\label{sec:Device Types}
>>>>>>  \hline
>>>>>>  45         &   SPI master \\
>>>>>>  \hline
>>>>>> +46         &   TEE device \\
>>>>>> +\hline
>>>>>> \end{tabular}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Some of the devices above are unspecified by this document,

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