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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: 侯英乐 <houyingle@sudoinfotech.com>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
	virtio-comment <virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Keith Busch" <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	"Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Klaus Jensen" <k.jensen@samsung.com>,
	sgarzare <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] About adding a new device type virtio-nvme
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:59:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y8l3B61V1nGOYA+u@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c85a2341-2402-cc2c-9c8e-2d2dc1cb6876@redhat.com>

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On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 11:40:02AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 在 2023/1/18 22:14, Stefan Hajnoczi 写道:
> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:15:12AM +0800, 侯英乐 wrote:
> > > On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 10:34:09 -0500, Stefan wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 05:41:57PM +0800, 侯英乐 wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 09:32:05 +0100,David wrote:
> > > > > > On 17.01.23 03:04, 侯英乐 wrote:
> > > > The two diagrams are quite similar. Did you want to highlight a
> > > > difference between the two approaches in the diagram?
> > > The biggest difference is the VFIO and vDPA frameworks. The vDPA (virtio data path acceleration) kernel framework
> > > is a pillar in productizing the end-to-end vDPA solution and it enables NIC vendors to integrate their vDPA NIC kernel
> > > drivers into the framework as part of their productization efforts.
> > > Detailed information reference:https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/introduction-vdpa-kernel-framework
> > For the sake of the argument, let's assume VFIO can't be used in your
> > situation so vDPA is required. The part I don't understand is which
> > specific NVMe features you need that virtio-blk lacks?
> 
> 
> I can think one:
> 
> Avoid guest application migration from NVMe to virtio-blk?

To get the best fidelity in that situation NVMe PCI would be the natural
choice. For example, if the application is SPDK then it won't just work
with virtio-nvme because it has a userspace NVMe PCI driver.

There might be applications that break when moving from NVMe to
virtio-blk but don't depend on NVMe PCI, but it seems like a very niche
case.

Most applications don't use NVMe directly or if they do, then they speak
NVMe PCI or NVME over TCP directly, so they won't work with virtio-nvme.

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-19 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-11  3:21 [virtio-comment] About adding a new device type virtio-nvme 侯英乐
2023-01-11 15:16 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-17  2:04   ` 侯英乐
2023-01-17  8:32     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-17  9:30       ` 侯英乐
     [not found]       ` <202301171730174296359@sudoinfotech.com>
2023-01-17  9:41         ` 侯英乐
2023-01-17 15:34           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-17 15:47             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-18  2:38               ` 侯英乐
2023-01-18  2:15             ` 侯英乐
2023-01-18 14:08               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19  8:31                 ` 侯英乐
2023-01-18 14:14               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19  3:40                 ` Jason Wang
2023-01-19 16:59                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2023-01-19  9:03                 ` 侯英乐
2023-01-19 17:03                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-19  3:38               ` Jason Wang
2023-01-19  7:22                 ` 侯英乐
2023-01-17 16:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]       ` <20230117162114.GA24976@lst.de>
2023-01-17 16:53         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-18 11:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-18  2:49       ` 侯英乐
2023-02-05 12:33         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09  3:28           ` 侯英乐
2023-02-17  3:01             ` Parav Pandit
2023-01-19 11:42       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-29  3:32         ` 侯英乐
2023-01-30 20:30           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-17 17:19     ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-01-18  3:23       ` 侯英乐
2023-01-18 10:09         ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-01-18 11:12           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-18 11:27             ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-01-18 13:29               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-19 10:19           ` 侯英乐
2023-01-19 10:33             ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-01-19 11:02               ` 侯英乐
2023-01-19 17:15                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-01-18 10:28         ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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