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From: Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Yuri Benditovich <yuri.benditovich@daynix.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH v5] virtio-net: device does not deliver partially checksummed packet and may validate the checksum
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:28:21 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8ba676e-de43-45ae-a6a8-a67d0dd41c1f@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231211110350-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>



在 2023/12/12 上午12:35, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 05:11:59PM +0800, Heng Qi wrote:
>> virtio-net works in a virtualized system and is somewhat different from
>> physical nics. One of the differences is that to save virtio device
>> resources, rx may receive partially checksummed packets. However, XDP may
>> cause partially checksummed packets to be dropped.
>> So XDP loading currently conflicts with the feature VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM.
>>
>> This patch lets the device to supply fully checksummed packets to the driver.
>> Then XDP can coexist with VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM to enjoy the benefits of
>> device validation checksum.
>>
>> In addition, implementation of some performant devices always do not generate
>> partially checksummed packets, but the standard driver still need to clear
>> VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM when XDP is there.
>
>> A new feature VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM is added to solve the above
>> situation, which provides the driver with configurable offload.
>> If the offload is enabled, then the device must deliver fully
>> checksummed packets to the driver and may validate the checksum.
>>
>> Use case example:
>> If VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM is negotiated and the offload is enabled,
>> after XDP processes a fully checksummed packet, the VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_DATA_VALID bit
>> is retained if the device has validated its checksum, resulting in the guest
>> not needing to validate the checksum again. This is useful for guests:
>>    1. Bring the driver advantages such as cpu savings.
>>    2. For devices that do not generate partially checksummed packets themselves,
>>       XDP can be loaded in the driver without modifying the hardware behavior.
>>
>> Several solutions have been discussed in the previous proposal[1].
>> After historical discussion, we have tried the method proposed by Jason[2],
>> but some complex scenarios and challenges are difficult to deal with.
>> We now return to the method suggested in [1].
>>
>> [1] https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/virtio-dev/202305/msg00291.html
>> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230628030506.2213-1-hengqi@linux.alibaba.com/
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>
>> Reviewed-by: Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
>> ---
>> v4->v5:
>> - Remove the modification to the GUEST_CSUM.
>> - The description of this feature has been reorganized for greater clarity.
>>
>> v3->v4:
>> - Streamline some repetitive descriptions. @Jason
>> - Add how features should work, when to be enabled, and overhead. @Jason @Michael
>>
>> v2->v3:
>> - Add a section named "Driver Handles Fully Checksummed Packets"
>>    and more descriptions. @Michael
>>
>> v1->v2:
>> - Modify full checksum functionality as a configurable offload
>>    that is initially turned off. @Jason
>>
>>   device-types/net/description.tex        | 74 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>   device-types/net/device-conformance.tex |  1 +
>>   device-types/net/driver-conformance.tex |  1 +
>>   introduction.tex                        |  3 +
>>   4 files changed, 73 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/device-types/net/description.tex b/device-types/net/description.tex
>> index aff5e08..ab6c13d 100644
>> --- a/device-types/net/description.tex
>> +++ b/device-types/net/description.tex
>> @@ -122,6 +122,9 @@ \subsection{Feature bits}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Feature bits
>>       device with the same MAC address.
>>   
>>   \item[VIRTIO_NET_F_SPEED_DUPLEX(63)] Device reports speed and duplex.
>> +
>> +\item[VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM (64)] Device delivers fully checksummed packets
>> +    to the driver and may validate the checksum.
>>   \end{description}
> I propose
> VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM_COMPLETE
> instead.

Can I ask here if *complete* in VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM_COMPLETE and
CHECKSUM_COMPLETE mean the same thing?

If so, it seems that it's no longer the same as the description of this 
patch.

>
>
>>   \subsubsection{Feature bit requirements}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Feature bits / Feature bit requirements}
>> @@ -136,6 +139,7 @@ \subsubsection{Feature bit requirements}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device
>>   \item[VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_UFO] Requires VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM.
>>   \item[VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_USO4] Requires VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM.
>>   \item[VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_USO6] Requires VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM.
>> +\item[VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM] Requires VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM and VIRTIO_NET_F_CTRL_GUEST_OFFLOADS.
>
>
>
>>   \item[VIRTIO_NET_F_HOST_TSO4] Requires VIRTIO_NET_F_CSUM.
>>   \item[VIRTIO_NET_F_HOST_TSO6] Requires VIRTIO_NET_F_CSUM.
>> @@ -398,6 +402,58 @@ \subsection{Device Initialization}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Dev
>>   A truly minimal driver would only accept VIRTIO_NET_F_MAC and ignore
>>   everything else.
>>   
>> +\subsubsection{Device Delivers Fully Checksummed Packets}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Initialization / Device Delivers Fully Checksummed Packets}
>> +
>> +If the feature VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM is negotiated, the driver can
>> +benefit from the device's ability to calculate and validate the checksum.
>> +
>> +If the feature VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM is negotiated,
>> +the device behaves as follows:
>> +\begin{itemize}
>> +  \item The device delivers a fully checksummed packet to the driver rather than a partially checksummed packet.
> where does "partially checksummed packet" come from?
> I think it comes from:

Yes, you are right.

>
>     The VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature indicates that partially
>    checksummed packets can be received, and if it can do that then
>    the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_TSO4, VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_TSO6,
>    VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_UFO, VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_ECN, VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_USO4
>    and VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_USO6 are the input equivalents of the features described above.
>    See \ref{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation /
>
>
> so that one needs to be updated too.

Will update this.

>
>
>> +Partially checksummed packets come from TCP/UDP protocols \ref{devicenormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Processing of Packets}.
>> +  \item The device may validate the packet checksum before delivering it.
>> +If the packet checksum has been verified, the VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_DATA_VALID bit
>> +in \field{flags} is set: in case of multiple encapsulated protocols, one
>> +level of checksums has been validated (Just like VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM does.).
>> +  \item The device can not set the VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_NEEDS_CSUM bit in \field{flags}.
>> +\end{itemize}
>> +
>> +Note that packet types that the driver or device can recognize and the device
>> +may verify will not change due to the additional negotiated VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM.
>> +These remain consistent with VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM.
> This part is confusing. "change" and "remain" makes no sense for someone reading
> the spec text as opposed to reviewing the patch.
> also it does not matter whether VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM
> is negotiated right? it only matters whether it is enabled.

Right! And following your suggestion, I plan to rewrite it as follows:

Note that if VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM is additionally negotiated and
its offload is enabled, packet types that the driver or device can 
recognize and the
device may verify are consistent with when VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM is 
negotiated.

>
>
>> +Specific transport protocols that may have VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_DATA_VALID set
>> +in \field{flags} include TCP, UDP, GRE (Generic Routing Encapsulation),
>> +and SCTP (Stream Control Transmission Protocol).
>> +A fully checksummed packet's checksum field for each of the above protocols
>> +is set to a calculated value that covers the transport header and payload
>> +(TCP or UDP involves the additional pseudo header) of the packet.
>> +
>> +Delivering fully checksummed packets rather than partially
>> +checksummed packets incurs additional overhead for the device.
>> +The overhead varies from device to device, for example the overhead of
>> +calculating and validating the packet checksum is a few microseconds
>> +for a hardware device.
> wow really is that standard? There are devices that deliver the whole
> packet in a few microseconds. Maybe "for some hardware devices"?

Ok, I think it's more accurate.

>
>> +
>> +The feature VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM has a corresponding offload \ref{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Offloads State Configuration},
>> +which when enabled means that the device delivers fully checksummed packets
>> +to the driver and may validate the checksum.
>> +The offload is disabled by default.
> This is unusual, unlike any other offload. So needs to be stressed
> more.  And what does "default" mean here?
> E.g. "Note: unlike other offloads, this offloads is disabled
> even after VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM has been negotiation.

Ok. Will rewrite this following your example.

> The offload has to be enabled ... "
>
>
>> +
>> +The driver can enable the offload by sending the
>> +VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_GUEST_OFFLOADS_SET command with the
>> +VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM bit set when, for example,
>> +eXpress Data Path (XDP) \hyperref[intro:xdp]{[XDP]} is functioning.
> It is not worth adding a spec link just to provide an example.
> If you really want to provide it:
> "eXpress Data Path (XDP) in Linux is active".
>
> But this is the problem this patch does not solve in my opinion.
> A device might actually provide a full checksum
> at negligeable extra cost and driver will still keep it off by default.
> So it slows device down - when does it make sense to enable this feature?
> Just giving an example of XDP is not sufficient.

First of all, I think the core purpose of this patch is to support XDP 
loading.
Otherwise, I think GUEST_CSUM works just fine.

1. The device is performant, even if only GUEST_CSUM is negotiated, the 
device only provide fully checksummed packets.
If the offload of GUEST_FULLY_CSUM is disabled, it is equivalent to only 
GUEST_CSUM working, and the device still
provides fully checksummed packets. This will not slow the device down.

2. For example a sw device. If the device only negotiates GUEST_CSUM, it 
may provide partially checksummed packets.
In the absence of XDP loading requirements, the driver does not need to 
enable GUEST_FULLY_CSUM offload.


>
>
>
>> +
>> +\drivernormative{\subsubsection}{Device Delivers Fully Checksummed Packets}{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Initialization / Device Delivers Fully Checksummed Packets}
>> +
>> +The driver MUST NOT enable the offload for which VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM has not been negotiated.
> what does "the offload for which" mean here?

VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM's offload

> and how is this special for VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM?

Well, I think this sentence seems a bit redundant and I'll probably 
remove this.

>
>> +\devicenormative{\subsubsection}{Device Delivers Fully Checksummed Packets}{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Initialization / Device Delivers Fully Checksummed Packets}
>> +
>> +Upon the device reset, the device MUST disable the offload.
>> +
> reset has nothing to do with it I think. it's about feature negotiation.

Will modify this.

Thanks a lot!

>
>
>>   \subsection{Device Operation}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation}
>>   
>>   Packets are transmitted by placing them in the
>> @@ -723,7 +779,8 @@ \subsubsection{Processing of Incoming Packets}\label{sec:Device Types / Network
>>     \field{num_buffers} is one, then the entire packet will be
>>     contained within this buffer, immediately following the struct
>>     virtio_net_hdr.
>> -\item If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature was negotiated, the
>> +\item If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature (regardless of whether
>> +  VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM was negotiated) was negotiated, the
>>     VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_DATA_VALID bit in \field{flags} can be
>>     set: if so, device has validated the packet checksum.
>>     In case of multiple encapsulated protocols, one level of checksums
>> @@ -747,7 +804,8 @@ \subsubsection{Processing of Incoming Packets}\label{sec:Device Types / Network
>>     number of coalesced TCP segments in \field{csum_start} field and
>>     number of duplicated ACK segments in \field{csum_offset} field
>>     and sets bit VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_RSC_INFO in \field{flags}.
>> -\item If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature was negotiated, the
>> +\item If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature was negotiated but the
>> +  VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM feature was not negotiated, the
>>     VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_NEEDS_CSUM bit in \field{flags} can be
>>     set: if so, the packet checksum at offset \field{csum_offset}
>>     from \field{csum_start} and any preceding checksums
>> @@ -805,8 +863,9 @@ \subsubsection{Processing of Incoming Packets}\label{sec:Device Types / Network
>>   device MUST set the VIRTIO_NET_HDR_GSO_ECN bit in
>>   \field{gso_type}.
>>   
>> -If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature has been negotiated, the
>> -device MAY set the VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_NEEDS_CSUM bit in
>> +If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature has been negotiated but
>> +the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM feature has not been negotiated,
>> +the device MAY set the VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_NEEDS_CSUM bit in
>>   \field{flags}, if so:
>>   \begin{enumerate}
>>   \item the device MUST validate the packet checksum at
>> @@ -826,7 +885,8 @@ \subsubsection{Processing of Incoming Packets}\label{sec:Device Types / Network
>>   been negotiated, the device MUST set \field{gso_type} to
>>   VIRTIO_NET_HDR_GSO_NONE.
>>   
>> -If \field{gso_type} differs from VIRTIO_NET_HDR_GSO_NONE, then
>> +If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM feature has not been negotiated and
>> +\field{gso_type} differs from VIRTIO_NET_HDR_GSO_NONE, then
>>   the device MUST also set the VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_NEEDS_CSUM bit in
>>   \field{flags} MUST set \field{gso_size} to indicate the desired MSS.
>>   If VIRTIO_NET_F_RSC_EXT was negotiated, the device MUST also
>> @@ -842,7 +902,8 @@ \subsubsection{Processing of Incoming Packets}\label{sec:Device Types / Network
>>   not less than the length of the headers, including the transport
>>   header.
>>   
>> -If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature has been negotiated, the
>> +If the VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM feature (regardless of whether
>> +VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM has been negotiated) has been negotiated, the
>>   device MAY set the VIRTIO_NET_HDR_F_DATA_VALID bit in
>>   \field{flags}, if so, the device MUST validate the packet
>>   checksum (in case of multiple encapsulated protocols, one level
>> @@ -1633,6 +1694,7 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
>>   #define VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_UFO        10
>>   #define VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_USO4       54
>>   #define VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_USO6       55
>> +#define VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_FULLY_CSUM 64
>>   
>>   #define VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_GUEST_OFFLOADS       5
>>    #define VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_GUEST_OFFLOADS_SET   0
>> diff --git a/device-types/net/device-conformance.tex b/device-types/net/device-conformance.tex
>> index 52526e4..43b3921 100644
>> --- a/device-types/net/device-conformance.tex
>> +++ b/device-types/net/device-conformance.tex
>> @@ -16,4 +16,5 @@
>>   \item \ref{devicenormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Notifications Coalescing}
>>   \item \ref{devicenormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Inner Header Hash}
>>   \item \ref{devicenormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Device Statistics}
>> +\item \ref{devicenormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Initialization / Device Delivers Fully Checksummed Packets}
>>   \end{itemize}
>> diff --git a/device-types/net/driver-conformance.tex b/device-types/net/driver-conformance.tex
>> index c693c4f..c9b6d1b 100644
>> --- a/device-types/net/driver-conformance.tex
>> +++ b/device-types/net/driver-conformance.tex
>> @@ -16,4 +16,5 @@
>>   \item \ref{drivernormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Notifications Coalescing}
>>   \item \ref{drivernormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Inner Header Hash}
>>   \item \ref{drivernormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Device Statistics}
>> +\item \ref{drivernormative:Device Types / Network Device / Device Initialization / Device Delivers Fully Checksummed Packets}
>>   \end{itemize}
>> diff --git a/introduction.tex b/introduction.tex
>> index cfa6633..fc99597 100644
>> --- a/introduction.tex
>> +++ b/introduction.tex
>> @@ -145,6 +145,9 @@ \section{Normative References}\label{sec:Normative References}
>>       Leiba, B., "Ambiguity of Uppercase vs Lowercase in RFC 2119 Key Words", BCP
>>       14, RFC 8174, DOI 10.17487/RFC8174, May 2017
>>           \newline\url{http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc8174.txt}\\
>> +	\phantomsection\label{intro:xdp}\textbf{[XDP]} &
>> +    eXpress Data Path(XDP) provides a high performance, programmable network data path in the Linux kernel.
>> +	\newline\url{https://prototype-kernel.readthedocs.io/en/latest/networking/XDP/}\\
>>   \end{longtable}
>>   
>>   \section{Non-Normative References}
>> -- 
>> 2.19.1.6.gb485710b


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-12  3:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-11  9:11 [virtio-comment] [PATCH v5] virtio-net: device does not deliver partially checksummed packet and may validate the checksum Heng Qi
2023-12-11 16:35 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-12  3:28   ` Heng Qi [this message]
2023-12-12  8:44     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-12  9:23       ` Heng Qi
2023-12-12  9:30         ` Heng Qi
2023-12-15  9:51           ` Heng Qi
2023-12-18  3:10             ` Jason Wang
2023-12-18  4:54               ` Heng Qi
2023-12-19  7:53                 ` Jason Wang
2023-12-19 16:06                   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-12-20  5:48                     ` Jason Wang
2023-12-20  6:30                       ` Heng Qi
2023-12-20  6:59                         ` Jason Wang
2023-12-20  7:42                           ` Heng Qi
2023-12-21  1:34                             ` Jason Wang
2023-12-21  3:43                               ` Heng Qi
2023-12-21  4:04                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-12-20  9:54                           ` Heng Qi
2023-12-20  7:35                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-20  9:31                           ` Heng Qi
2023-12-21  1:41                             ` Jason Wang
2023-12-21  1:50                               ` Jason Wang
2023-12-21  3:51                               ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-12-21  4:04                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-12-21  1:34                           ` Jason Wang
2023-12-21  3:45                             ` Heng Qi
2023-12-21  3:51                               ` Jason Wang
2023-12-19 18:41                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-20  5:52                     ` Jason Wang

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