From: Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>,
Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
"virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev" <virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev>,
Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] virtio-net: clarify coalescing parameters settings
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 10:14:49 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b57acf4d-84e1-4360-a229-eeb7b3d752fc@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240627080346-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On 6/27/2024 5:35 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:37:32PM +0200, Halil Pasic wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:14:15 -0700
>> Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/24/2024 10:56 PM, Parav Pandit wrote:
>> [..]
>>>> I saw the need of this proposal slightly differently in the discussion with Heng in v4.
>>>> The way I understood is, proposed relaxation enables below Linux driver flow to work as equally as without device offering VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL.
>>>>
>>>> Flow is:
>>>> 1. The device offered feature VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL
>>>> 2. The virtio-net driver negotiated VIRTNET_FEATURES that has VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL
>>>>
>>>> 3. Because VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL is negotiated, device is not applying any coalescing on the VQ, in a good hope that driver will perform VQ notification coalescing.
>> I have certainly understood this differently. When
>> VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL is not negotiated then the device is not supposed/allowed to do any interrupt coalescing (notification suppression may still apply).
>>
>> If VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL is negotiated the device is supposed
>> to/MUST do the coalescing according to the parameters as described by
>> the virtio spec.
>>
>> Michael, Jason: Can you guys weigh in on this?
> I still don't understand why this change is needed.
> We have this text:
>
> The device may generate notifications more or less frequently than
> specified by set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class.
>
> and
>
> The behavior of the device in response to set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class is best-effort:
> the device MAY generate notifications more or less frequently than specified.
>
> So with no spec changes, devices already can do what this patch says they can do -
> send notifications less frequently.
Right. If I still recall it correctly, the above text was to accommodate
the interaction with existing used buffer notification mechanism,
F_EVENT_IDX or whatnot. When coalescing is in place and effective,
interrupt delivery is a collaborative consideration based on the
coalescing parameters specified *AND * event index / NO_INTERRUPT flag
as well.
>
> Re-reading this spec text, maybe the confusion is that it mentions set
> commands specifically? And it's also stuck in the middle where it's easy
> to miss.
>
> So it would seem that the following should be sufficient, and it looks
> like a small clarification we could just apply and include in the
> vote for the csd. What do you guys think?
The revised text below looks good to me.
Thanks,
-Siwei
>
>
> Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
>
> ----
>
>
> diff --git a/device-types/net/description.tex b/device-types/net/description.tex
> index 76585b0..d6788df 100644
> --- a/device-types/net/description.tex
> +++ b/device-types/net/description.tex
> @@ -1711,8 +1711,6 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
> for an enabled transmit/receive virtqueue whose index is \field{vq_index}.
> \end{enumerate}
>
> -The device may generate notifications more or less frequently than specified by set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class.
> -
> If coalescing parameters are being set, the device applies the last coalescing parameters set for a
> virtqueue, regardless of the command used to set the parameters. Use the following command sequence
> with two pairs of virtqueues as an example:
> @@ -1726,6 +1724,9 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
> \item Command6: VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_VQ_GET with \field{vq_index} = 1, the device responds with coalescing parameters of index 1 set by command5.
> \end{itemize}
>
> +The device can generate notifications more or less frequently
> +than specified by the coalescing parameters.
> +
> \subparagraph{Operation}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Notifications Coalescing / Operation}
>
> The device sends a used buffer notification once the notification conditions are met and if the notifications are not suppressed as explained in \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Used Buffer Notification Suppression}.
> @@ -1798,7 +1799,7 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
> Upon disabling and re-enabling a receive virtqueue, the device MUST set the coalescing parameters of the virtqueue
> to those configured through the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_RX_SET command, or, if the driver did not set any RX coalescing parameters, to 0.
>
> -The behavior of the device in response to set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class is best-effort:
> +The behavior of the device in response to specific coalescing parameters is best-effort:
> the device MAY generate notifications more or less frequently than specified.
>
> A device SHOULD NOT send used buffer notifications to the driver if the notifications are suppressed, even if the notification conditions are met.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-27 17:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-28 4:47 [PATCH v5] virtio-net: clarify coalescing parameters settings Heng Qi
2024-05-28 4:50 ` Heng Qi
2024-05-31 6:36 ` Heng Qi
2024-05-31 9:39 ` Cornelia Huck
2024-06-07 20:02 ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-08 2:34 ` Heng Qi
2024-06-10 12:46 ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-10 13:35 ` Heng Qi
2024-06-10 14:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-10 15:12 ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-11 14:04 ` Cornelia Huck
2024-06-10 20:19 ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-11 10:40 ` Heng Qi
2024-06-11 16:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-11 17:43 ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-13 6:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-17 2:27 ` Heng Qi
2024-06-17 23:31 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-20 7:40 ` Heng Qi
2024-06-21 1:21 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-21 3:24 ` Heng Qi
2024-06-21 23:46 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-22 1:34 ` Heng Qi
2024-06-25 4:51 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-25 5:56 ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-26 1:14 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-27 10:37 ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-27 11:27 ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 12:45 ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 13:03 ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 14:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 17:27 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-27 17:14 ` Si-Wei Liu [this message]
2024-06-27 22:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-28 6:56 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-28 8:23 ` Jason Wang
2024-06-28 19:31 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-30 17:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-03 6:09 ` Jason Wang
2024-07-02 20:37 ` Halil Pasic
2024-07-02 21:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-03 5:01 ` Jason Wang
2024-06-29 6:47 ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-30 16:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-02 21:43 ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-27 12:13 ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-25 7:53 ` Jason Wang
2024-06-25 8:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-25 8:13 ` Jason Wang
2024-06-25 8:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-11 23:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-17 2:35 ` Heng Qi
2024-06-25 7:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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