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From: Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev" <virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] virtio-net: clarify coalescing parameters settings
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 10:14:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b57acf4d-84e1-4360-a229-eeb7b3d752fc@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240627080346-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>



On 6/27/2024 5:35 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:37:32PM +0200, Halil Pasic wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:14:15 -0700
>> Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/24/2024 10:56 PM, Parav Pandit wrote:
>> [..]
>>>> I saw the need of this proposal slightly differently in the discussion with Heng in v4.
>>>> The way I understood is, proposed relaxation enables below Linux driver flow to work as equally as without device offering VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL.
>>>>
>>>> Flow is:
>>>> 1. The device offered feature VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL
>>>> 2. The virtio-net driver negotiated VIRTNET_FEATURES that has VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL
>>>>
>>>> 3. Because VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL is negotiated, device is not applying any coalescing on the VQ, in a good hope that driver will perform VQ notification coalescing.
>> I have certainly understood this differently. When
>> VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL is not negotiated then the device is not supposed/allowed to do any interrupt coalescing (notification suppression may still apply).
>>
>> If VIRTIO_NET_F_VQ_NOTF_COAL is negotiated the device is supposed
>> to/MUST do the coalescing according to the parameters as described by
>> the virtio spec.
>>
>> Michael, Jason: Can you guys weigh in on this?
> I still don't understand why this change is needed.
> We have this text:
>
> 	The device may generate notifications more or less frequently than
> 	specified by set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class.
>
> and
>
> 	The behavior of the device in response to set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class is best-effort:
> 	the device MAY generate notifications more or less frequently than specified.
>
> So with no spec changes, devices already can do what this patch says they can do -
> send notifications less frequently.
Right. If I still recall it correctly, the above text was to accommodate 
the interaction with existing used buffer notification mechanism, 
F_EVENT_IDX or whatnot. When coalescing is in place and effective, 
interrupt delivery is a collaborative consideration based on the 
coalescing parameters specified *AND * event index / NO_INTERRUPT flag 
as well.
>
> Re-reading this spec text, maybe the confusion is that it mentions set
> commands specifically? And it's also stuck in the middle where it's easy
> to miss.
>
> So it would seem that the following should be sufficient, and it looks
> like a small clarification we could just apply and include in the
> vote for the csd. What do you guys think?

The revised text below looks good to me.

Thanks,
-Siwei
>
>
> Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
>
> ----
>
>
> diff --git a/device-types/net/description.tex b/device-types/net/description.tex
> index 76585b0..d6788df 100644
> --- a/device-types/net/description.tex
> +++ b/device-types/net/description.tex
> @@ -1711,8 +1711,6 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
>                                           for an enabled transmit/receive virtqueue whose index is \field{vq_index}.
>   \end{enumerate}
>   
> -The device may generate notifications more or less frequently than specified by set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class.
> -
>   If coalescing parameters are being set, the device applies the last coalescing parameters set for a
>   virtqueue, regardless of the command used to set the parameters. Use the following command sequence
>   with two pairs of virtqueues as an example:
> @@ -1726,6 +1724,9 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
>   \item Command6: VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_VQ_GET with \field{vq_index} = 1, the device responds with coalescing parameters of index 1 set by command5.
>   \end{itemize}
>   
> +The device can generate notifications more or less frequently
> +than specified by the coalescing parameters.
> +
>   \subparagraph{Operation}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Notifications Coalescing / Operation}
>   
>   The device sends a used buffer notification once the notification conditions are met and if the notifications are not suppressed as explained in \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Used Buffer Notification Suppression}.
> @@ -1798,7 +1799,7 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
>   Upon disabling and re-enabling a receive virtqueue, the device MUST set the coalescing parameters of the virtqueue
>   to those configured through the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL_RX_SET command, or, if the driver did not set any RX coalescing parameters, to 0.
>   
> -The behavior of the device in response to set commands of the VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_NOTF_COAL class is best-effort:
> +The behavior of the device in response to specific coalescing parameters is best-effort:
>   the device MAY generate notifications more or less frequently than specified.
>   
>   A device SHOULD NOT send used buffer notifications to the driver if the notifications are suppressed, even if the notification conditions are met.
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-27 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-28  4:47 [PATCH v5] virtio-net: clarify coalescing parameters settings Heng Qi
2024-05-28  4:50 ` Heng Qi
2024-05-31  6:36   ` Heng Qi
2024-05-31  9:39     ` Cornelia Huck
2024-06-07 20:02 ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-08  2:34   ` Heng Qi
2024-06-10 12:46     ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-10 13:35       ` Heng Qi
2024-06-10 14:50         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-10 15:12           ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-11 14:04           ` Cornelia Huck
2024-06-10 20:19         ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-11 10:40           ` Heng Qi
2024-06-11 16:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-11 17:43               ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-13  6:13                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-17  2:27                   ` Heng Qi
2024-06-17 23:31                     ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-20  7:40                       ` Heng Qi
2024-06-21  1:21                         ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-21  3:24                           ` Heng Qi
2024-06-21 23:46                             ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-22  1:34                               ` Heng Qi
2024-06-25  4:51                                 ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-25  5:56                                   ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-26  1:14                                     ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-27 10:37                                       ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-27 11:27                                         ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:35                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 12:45                                           ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:52                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 13:03                                               ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 14:59                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-27 17:27                                               ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-27 17:14                                           ` Si-Wei Liu [this message]
2024-06-27 22:18                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-28  6:56                                               ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-28  8:23                                                 ` Jason Wang
2024-06-28 19:31                                                   ` Si-Wei Liu
2024-06-30 17:04                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-03  6:09                                                     ` Jason Wang
2024-07-02 20:37                                                   ` Halil Pasic
2024-07-02 21:04                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-03  5:01                                                     ` Jason Wang
2024-06-29  6:47                                           ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-30 16:55                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-02 21:43                                               ` Halil Pasic
2024-06-27 12:13                                       ` Parav Pandit
2024-06-27 12:42                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-25  7:53                               ` Jason Wang
2024-06-25  8:06                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-25  8:13                                   ` Jason Wang
2024-06-25  8:21                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-11 23:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-06-17  2:35   ` Heng Qi
2024-06-25  7:26     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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