Discussion of the implementations of VIRTIO specification
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: si-wei liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>
Cc: "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>,
	Carolyn <carolyn.wyborny@intel.com>,
	Sameeh Jubran <sameeh@daynix.com>,
	Siwei Liu <loseweigh@gmail.com>,
	venu.busireddy@oracle.com, cohuck@redhat.com,
	virtio-dev <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	liran.alon@oracle.com, Yan Vugenfirer <yan@daynix.com>,
	"Brandeburg, Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH v4] content: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:43:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181128154244-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1aeab969-f47f-42c3-31a0-b4c5df647d58@oracle.com>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:28:42PM -0800, si-wei liu wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/28/2018 12:06 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:39:55AM -0800, Samudrala, Sridhar wrote:
> > > On 11/28/2018 9:35 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 09:31:32AM -0800, Samudrala, Sridhar wrote:
> > > > > On 11/28/2018 9:08 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:22:56PM -0800, Samudrala, Sridhar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Update:
> > > > > > > > I have just set the vf mac's address to 0 (ip link set ens2f0 vf 1 mac
> > > > > > > > 00:00:00:00:00:00) after unplugging it (the primary device) and the
> > > > > > > > pings started working again on the failover interface. So it seems
> > > > > > > > like the frames were arriving to the vf on the host.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yes. When the VF is unplugged, you need to reset the VFs MAC so that the packets
> > > > > > > with VMs MAC start flowing via VF, bridge and the virtio interface.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Have you looked at this documentation that shows a sample script to initiate live
> > > > > > > migration?
> > > > > > > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/networking/net_failover.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -Sridhar
> > > > > > Interesting I didn't notice it does this. So in fact
> > > > > > just defining VF mac will immediately divert packets
> > > > > > to the VF? Given guest driver did not initialize VF
> > > > > > yet won't a bunch of packets be dropped?
> > > > > There is typo in my stmt above (VF->PF)
> > > > > When the VF is unplugged, you need to reset the VFs MAC so that the packets
> > > > > with VMs MAC start flowing via PF, bridge and the virtio interface.
> > > > > 
> > > > > When the VF is plugged in, ideally the MAC filter for the VF should be added to
> > > > > the HW once the guest driver comes up and can receive packets. Currently with intel
> > > > > drivers, the filter gets added to HW as soon as the host admin sets the VFs MAC via
> > > > > ndo_set_vf_mac() api. So potentially there could be packet drops until the VF driver
> > > > > comes up in the VM.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > Can this be fixed in the intel drivers?
> > > I just checked and it looks like this seems to have been addressed in the
> > > ice 100Gb driver. Will bring this up issue internally to see if we can change this
> > > behavior in i40e/ixgbe drivers.
> > Also what happens if the mac is programmed both in PF (e.g. with
> > macvtap) and VF? Ideally VF will take precedence.
> I'm seriously doubtful that legacy Intel NIC hardware can do that instead of
> mucking around with software workaround in the PF driver. Actually, the same
> applies to other NIC vendors when hardware sees duplicate filters. There's
> no such control of precedence on one over the other.
> 
> 
> -Siwei
> 
> 
> 

OK I guess we will need another feature bit for a software
workaround then.


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  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-28 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-15 18:49 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v4] content: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature Sridhar Samudrala
2018-08-27  8:40 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2018-08-27 12:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-27 16:50     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-08-28 12:13       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-07 21:34 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-12 15:17   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-09-12 15:22     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-18 10:20       ` Cornelia Huck
2018-09-18 10:37         ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-09-18 13:25           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-18 18:30             ` Siwei Liu
2018-09-18 18:39               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-18 19:10                 ` Siwei Liu
2018-09-20  3:04                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-19  5:03             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-09-20  5:51             ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-09-18 13:35         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-18 15:13           ` Venu Busireddy
2018-09-18 15:31             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-18 18:48               ` Siwei Liu
2018-09-20  3:11                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-20 23:57                   ` Siwei Liu
2018-09-21  2:23                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-21  2:34                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-27  0:18                       ` Siwei Liu
2018-09-27  7:17                         ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-09-27 16:17                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-27 17:23                             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-09-27 23:45                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-09-30  9:17                               ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-09-30 13:50                                 ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-09-27 16:32                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-02  8:42                           ` Siwei Liu
2018-10-02 12:43                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-05  0:03                               ` Siwei Liu
2018-10-05  5:17                                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-10-10 14:40                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-11  0:16                                     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-10-05 19:18                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-08 22:06                                   ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-10-10 14:43                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-11  1:26                                   ` Siwei Liu
2018-10-18 23:20                                     ` Siwei Liu
2018-10-18 23:40                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-19  3:45                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-21 15:39                                       ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-11-21 18:41                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-21 20:04                                           ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-11-21 23:51                                             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-11-22 13:55                                               ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-11-22 18:27                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-26 15:13                                               ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-11-26 15:43                                                 ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-11-26 20:22                                                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-11-27 11:24                                                     ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-11-28 17:08                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-28 17:31                                                       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-11-28 17:35                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-28 18:39                                                           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-11-28 18:51                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-29  6:29                                                               ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-11-28 20:06                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-28 20:28                                                               ` si-wei liu
2018-11-28 20:43                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-11-28 20:47                                                                   ` si-wei liu
2018-11-29  1:15                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-29  6:37                                                                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-11-29 20:14                                                                   ` si-wei liu
2018-11-29 21:17                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-11-29 22:53                                                                       ` si-wei liu
2018-11-29 23:53                                                                         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-11-30  0:24                                                                           ` si-wei liu
2018-11-30  3:08                                                                             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-11-30  4:46                                                                               ` si-wei liu
2018-11-30  6:21                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-12-04  2:09                                                                           ` si-wei liu
2018-12-04  3:59                                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-12-05 16:18                                                                               ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-12-05 17:18                                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-12-08  1:54                                                                                 ` si-wei liu
2018-12-10 15:13                                                                                   ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-12-10 15:34                                                                                     ` Sameeh Jubran
2018-12-10 17:46                                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-12-11 15:50                                                                                         ` Sameeh Jubran

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