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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	virtio@lists.oasis-open.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [virtio] Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH] content: add vendor specific cfg type
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191127055432-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191127085956.6dc635a1.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 08:59:56AM +0100, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 03:11:43 -0500
> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 08:45:52AM +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> > > On 28.10.19 11:55, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:  
> > > > Vendors might want to add their own capability
> > > > in the PCI capability list. However, Virtio already
> > > > uses the vendor specific capability ID (0x09)
> > > > for its own purposes.  
> > > 
> > > Did some vendor express that need, or do we only assume it so far? IOW: Do
> > > we know at least once concrete use case?  
> > 
> > Good point, I should have added this in the log.
> > 
> > I know of a device that implements virtio and has a bug.
> > 
> > Device is a transitional one so can not have vendor specific
> > subsystem IDs (that violates the SHOULD below. Do we want to qualify
> > that this recommendation is for non-transitional devices?). While that
> 
> What about adding some notes on top that vendor specific subsystem IDs
> are not for transitional devices? That would also catch the case in the
> other update.

I'm still trying to figure out a good wording though.
A full description would need to describe the legacy
tricks with subsystem device ID etc. That's a lot of
text. Certainly doable but
maybe I'll just drop the subsystem vendor ID part
for now, treat that as a different subject?

> > specific device can't be fixed like this on bare metal, it creates a consistent way
> > for future devices to trigger vendor/device specific quirks,
> > and it creates an option for the hypervisor to add the capability.
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > Provide a structure for vendor specific extensions.
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > > > ---
> > > >   content.tex | 80 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >   1 file changed, 80 insertions(+)
> 
> > > > +\devicenormative{\subsection}{Vendor data capability}{Virtio
> > > > +Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI Device Layout /
> > > > +Vendor data capability}
> > > > +
> > > > +The device SHOULD present the PCI subsystem vendor ID matching
> > > > +the device vendor, at offset 0x2C in its PCI configuration space
> > > > +header.
> > > > +
> > > > +Devices CAN present \field{vendor_id} that does not match
> > > > +either the PCI Vendor ID or the PCI Subsystem Vendor ID.
> > > > +
> > > > +Devices CAN present multiple Vendor data capabilities with
> > > > +either different or identical \field{vendor_id} values.
> > > > +
> > > > +The value \field{vendor_id} MUST NOT equal 0x1AF4.
> > > > +
> > > > +The size of the Vendor data capability MUST be a multiple of 4 bytes.
> > > > +
> > > > +Reads of the Vendor data capability by the driver MUST NOT have any
> > > > +side effects.


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Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-28 10:55 [virtio] [PATCH] content: add vendor specific cfg type Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-24 12:32 ` [virtio] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-25  7:45 ` [virtio] Re: [virtio-dev] " Jan Kiszka
2019-11-25  8:11   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-27  7:59     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-11-27 10:59       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2019-11-27 13:23         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-27 14:43           ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found] ` <F1C6DEC9-5E4D-464A-A0C3-D8E625D53F7E@redhat.com>
2019-11-27 21:17   ` [virtio] Re: [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin

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