Discussion of the implementations of VIRTIO specification
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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
To: "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Zach Reizner" <zachr@chromium.org>,
	"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>,
	"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
	"Tomeu Vizoso" <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com>,
	"Tomasz Figa" <tfiga@chromium.org>
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Alexandros Frantzis <alexandros.frantzis@collabora.co.uk>
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [RFC] Upstreaming virtio-wayland (or an alternative)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:58:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200217145835.0bd7b028@collabora.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200207182842.770bfb27@collabora.com>

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 18:28:42 +0100
Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com> wrote:

> Based on all previous discussions, I could identify 3 different
> approaches:
> 
>     1/ Use VSOCK and extend it to support passing (some) FDs
>     2/ Use a user space VSOCK-based proxy that's in charge of
>        a/ passing regular messages
>        b/ passing specific handles to describe objects shared
>           between host and guest (most focus has been on dmabufs as
>           this is what we really care about for the gfx use case,
>           but other kind of FDs can be emulated through a
>           VSOCK <-> UNIX_SOCK bridging)
>     3/ Have a dedicated kernel space solution that provides features
>        exposed by #1 but through a virtio device interface (basically
>        what virtio-wayland does today)
> 
> Each of them has its pros and cons, which I'll try to sum-up (please
> correct me if I'm wrong, and add new things if you think they are
> missing).
> 
> #1 might require extra care if we want to make it safe, as pointed
> out by Stefan here [4] (but I wonder if the problem is not the same
> for a virtio-wayland based solution). Of course you also need a bit of
> infrastructure to register FD <-> VFD mappings (VFD being a virtual
> file descriptor that's only used as unique IDs identifying the resource
> backed by the local FD). FD <-> VFD mappings would have to be created
> by the subsystem in charge of the object backing the FD (virtio-gpu for
> exported GEM buffers, virtio-vdec for video buffers, vsock for unix
> sockets if we decide to bridge unix and vsock sockets to make it
> transparent, ...). The FD <-> VFD mapping would also have to be created
> on the host side, probably by the virtio device implementation
> (virglrenderer for GEM bufs for instance), which means host and guest
> need a way to inform the other end that a new FD <-> VFD mapping has
> been created so the other end can create a similar mapping (I guess this
> requires extra device-specific commands to work).

We might be able to do that lazily if we add
->virtio_fd_to_vfd()/->virtio_vfd_to_fd() hooks to the file_operations
struct, instead of expecting the subsystem to pro-actively create those
mappings (when those hooks are not implemented, that means the resource
backed by this FD can't be passed on a VSOCK). Anyway, that's just an
implementation detail, the first question being, should we pursue in
this direction or not?

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-02-17 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-07 17:28 [virtio-dev] [RFC] Upstreaming virtio-wayland (or an alternative) Boris Brezillon
2020-02-10  5:06 ` [virtio-dev] " David Stevens
2020-02-17 10:02   ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-17 10:22     ` David Stevens
2020-02-10 13:38 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-10 16:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-02-17 10:28   ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-17 12:32     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-17 13:44       ` Boris Brezillon
     [not found] ` <CADMs+9YC3QHOsmsB9pjA-AFC+fc=_a+tSqBbDsecNvkhBc85Dw@mail.gmail.com>
2020-02-17 11:02   ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-17 13:58 ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
     [not found]   ` <CAFNex=BuHdsEjFK3_cTqO2nOE-kB_MSH26sCTekF_6AK8Fyv3Q@mail.gmail.com>
2020-02-17 18:21     ` Boris Brezillon
     [not found]       ` <CAFNex=A8fU3e=FYP=t7jQ0J2E5aoyGKujhj8Df+vOhkzV8etgA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-02-19  8:52         ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-24 10:33       ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-24 12:12         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-24 12:45           ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-24 13:18             ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-24 13:42               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-24 13:57                 ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-24 14:25                   ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-24 13:35             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-24 12:32       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-25 15:21 ` [virtio-dev] " Boris Brezillon
2020-02-25 15:55   ` Alex Bennée
2020-02-26  9:25     ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-26 15:12   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-26 17:05     ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-27 10:29       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-27 12:24         ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-27  4:20   ` David Stevens
2020-02-27  9:09     ` Boris Brezillon
     [not found]       ` <CAFNex=C4wm7=iH9XmyHoTSdkDfA3vbFOuLaaQ4aLjE9keu_NDg@mail.gmail.com>
2020-02-27  9:33         ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-27 11:14       ` David Stevens
2020-02-27 11:51         ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-27 14:43         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-28  8:04           ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-28  9:27             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-02-28 10:11               ` David Stevens
2020-02-28 10:30                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-03-02  2:24                   ` David Stevens
2020-03-02  9:28                     ` Boris Brezillon
2020-02-28 10:31                 ` Boris Brezillon

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