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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Srivatsa Vaddagiri <svaddagi@qti.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Trilok Soni <tsoni@quicinc.com>,
	Pratik Patel <pratikp@quicinc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] virtio-mmio: Specify wait needed in driver during reset
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 15:03:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210726141737-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BY5PR02MB7073036306A91FEF52CCC5FBF9E89@BY5PR02MB7073.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 02:17:08PM +0000, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 01:36:56PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 26 2021, Srivatsa Vaddagiri <svaddagi@qti.qualcomm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > +indicated by a read of \field{Status} returning 0. Such a device MUST
> also
> > > >> > fail to accept
> > > >> > +FEATURES_OK bit if driver does not negotiate
> VIRTIO_F_MMIO_RESET_WAIT.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, this basically means that an older driver that does not know the new
> > > >> feature bit will not work with devices offering this bit, even if it did
> > > >> poll? This seems acceptable, I just wanted to spell it out.
> > > >
> > > > Yes I believe that's the desired result. Device has no way to know if
> driver
> > > > will poll for reset completion or not unless it accepts the feature.
> > > > Are you suggesting we explicitly put in some text in spec to that
> > > > effect?
> > >
> > > Not sure whether it is needed (do others have an opinion?), but probably
> > > not.
> >
> > What about resets before FEATURES_OK? How are these handled?
> 
> From device perspective, it's reset logic will always be same, independent of
> when reset was performed by driver (before or after feature negotiation). A
> driver that does not wait for reset completion will see undefined behavior
> after
> reset until it discovers that feature negotiation has failed?
> 
> - vatsa

Hmm. that doesn't sound too good. Makes using
feature negotiation for this kind of useless ...
Device can actually detect a read from status, right?
Maybe if it sees status was not read it can just
stay in reset state and not exit it?


> ---
> 
> Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is submitting the attached "feedback" as a
> non-member to the virtio-dev mailing list for consideration and inclusion.
> 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-26 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-23 14:55 [PATCH v1] virtio-mmio: Specify wait needed in driver during reset Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-07-26 11:03 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-26 11:25   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-07-26 11:36     ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-26 13:19       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-26 14:09         ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-26 14:17         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-07-26 19:03           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-07-27  9:52             ` [virtio-dev] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-07-29 15:21               ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-30  3:49                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-02  6:06             ` Jason Wang
2021-08-11 10:05               ` [virtio-dev] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-16  2:09                 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-16  5:35                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                     ` <20210816063550.GD5604@quicinc.com>
2021-08-16 11:48                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-16 13:34                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-16 14:37                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-16 14:58                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-17  5:45                         ` Jason Wang
2021-08-17  7:51                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-17  8:15                             ` Jason Wang
2021-08-17 10:03                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-17 12:48                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-18  2:57                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-18  2:54                               ` Jason Wang
2021-08-18  5:15                                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-18  5:40                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-08-18  5:51                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-18  6:04                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-08-18  6:13                                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-24 16:57                                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2021-08-20  3:56                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-20 11:15                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-26 13:18   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-26 14:13     ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck

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