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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Virtio-Dev <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	eperezma <eperezma@redhat.com>, Cindy Lu <lulu@redhat.com>
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH V2 0/2] virito-pci: PASID support
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:40:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220113053923-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YeAAxCYT3I7Z/SmW@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:36:52AM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 09:28:19AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 6:44 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 01:57:53PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > Hi All:
> > > >
> > > > This series tries to add PASID support for virtio-pci to allow the
> > > > virtqueue to use PASID TLP prefix for PCI transactions. This will be
> > > > useful for future work like, queue assignment, virtqueue
> > > > virtualization and presenting multiple vDPA devices with a single PCI
> > > > device.
> > > >
> > > > Since we're short of the space for the PCI capabilities, the PCI
> > > > extended capability for virtio structure is introduced that allows the
> > > > PASID configuration structure to use.
> > > >
> > > > A prototype is implemented with emulated virtio-pci device in [1]. A
> > > > test driver is implemented in [2].
> > > >
> > > > Please review.
> > >
> > > I don't know the security model for PASIDs. My guess is that PASIDs can
> > > be bruteforced so we must trust the driver (it can assign PASIDs to
> > > virtqueue groups) and we must prevent untrusted applications from
> > > setting PASIDs on virtqueues. Is that correct?
> > 
> > Yes, and the kernel can choose to hide PASID even for the trusted
> > application by using token or other intermediate layers.
> 
> It would be good to describe the security model from a virtio-pci
> perspective so driver implementors don't accidentally expose trusted
> interfaces to untrusted applications. It's obvious to someone who
> already understands and has thought through all of this, but not obvious
> to someone who is implementing a driver for the first time or someone
> who is modifying the VIRTIO specification and doesn't know/care about
> PASIDs.
> 
> Stefan


Can't hurt to have a security considerations chapter.
We should talk there about ACCESS_PLATFORM which has security implications
too.

-- 
MST


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-13 10:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-12  5:57 [virtio-dev] [PATCH V2 0/2] virito-pci: PASID support Jason Wang
2022-01-12  5:57 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH V2 1/2] virtio-pci: introduce virtio structure PCI Extended Capability Jason Wang
2022-01-12 10:10   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-13  0:55     ` Jason Wang
2022-01-13 10:19       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-14  3:23         ` Jason Wang
2022-01-17 10:03           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-12  5:57 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH V2 2/2] virtio-pci: add PASID configuration extended capability Jason Wang
2022-01-12 10:41   ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-13  1:24     ` Jason Wang
2022-01-13 10:32       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-13 10:45         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-13 14:53           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-13 15:17             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-14  3:15               ` Jason Wang
2022-01-14 10:38                 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2022-01-17  5:58                   ` Jason Wang
2022-01-14  9:43       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2022-01-17  5:57         ` Jason Wang
2022-01-19 18:01           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2022-01-19 23:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-24 15:26           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2022-01-24 22:15             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-12 10:44 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH V2 0/2] virito-pci: PASID support Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-13  1:28   ` Jason Wang
2022-01-13 10:36     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-13 10:40       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2022-01-14  2:53         ` Jason Wang
2022-01-13 15:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-14  2:55   ` Jason Wang

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