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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>, Oren Duer <oren@nvidia.com>,
	"stefanha@redhat.com" <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] virtio-net: add support for VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 00:25:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220118002309-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <631d8512-6a28-a714-4a71-dded3ef9ce3c@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:18:29AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 在 2022/1/18 上午6:22, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 02:07:51PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> > > > From: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 3:18 PM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 1/13/2022 7:56 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 04:51:02PM +0200, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
> > > > > > Set the relevant index in case of VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ negotiation.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Reviewed-by: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
> > > > > So admin VQ # is only known when all features are negotiated.
> > > > No. The driver should see if VIRTIO_NET_F_CTRL_VQ/VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ
> > > > are set by the device.
> > > > 
> > > > Negotiation is not a must.
> > > > 
> > > > Lets say CTRL_VQ is supported by the device and driver A would like to use it
> > > > and driver B wouldn't like to use it - in both cases the admiq VQ # would be 2N
> > > > + 1.
> > > > 
> > > > > Which is quite annoying if hypervisor wants to partition things e.g.
> > > > > handling admin q in process and handling vqs by an external process or
> > > > > by hardware.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think we can allow devices to set the VQ# for the admin queue
> > > > > instead. Would that work?
> > > Number of MSI-X configuration and number of VQs config are two different,
> > 
> > I was talking about the number of the VQ used for admin commands. Not
> > about the number of VQs.
> > 
> > > though it has strong correlation.
> > > Configuring number of queues seems a very device specific configuration (even though num_queues is generic field in struct virtio_pci_common_cfg).
> > > 
> > > So num VQ configuration is a different command likely combined with other device specific config such as mac or rss or others.
> > I was not talking about that at all, but since you mention that,
> > to me it looks like something that many device types can support.
> > It's not necessarily rss related, MQ config would benefit too,
> > so I am not sure why not have a command for controlling number
> > of queues. Looks like it could quite be generic.
> > 
> > Since current guests only support two modes: a vector
> > per VQ and a shared vector for all VQs, it follows that
> > it is important when configuring vectors per VF to also configure
> > VQs per VF. This makes me wonder whether ability to configure
> > vectors per VF in isolation without ability to configure or
> > at least query VQs per VF even has value.
> 
> 
> So I had some thought in the past, it looks to me we need a generic
> provision interface that contains all the necessary attributes:
> 
> 1) #queues
> 2) device_features
> 3) #msi_vectors
> 4) device specific configurations
> 
> It could be either an admin virtqueue interface[1] or a dedicated
> capability[2], (the latter seems easier).
> 
> Thanks
> 
> [1]
> https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/virtio-comment/202108/msg00025.html
> [2]
> https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/virtio-comment/202108/msg00136.html
> 

We also need 
- something like injecting cvq commands to control rx mode from the admin device
- page fault / dirty page handling

these two seem to call for a vq.


> > 
> > 


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-18  5:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-13 14:50 [PATCH v1 0/5] VIRTIO: Provision maximum MSI-X vectors for a VF Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-13 14:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] Add virtio Admin Virtqueue specification Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-13 17:53   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-17  9:56     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-17 21:30       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  3:22         ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  6:17           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  7:57             ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  8:05               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  8:23                 ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18 10:26                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18 10:30                     ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18 10:41                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-19  3:04         ` Jason Wang
2022-01-19  8:11           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-25  3:35             ` Jason Wang
2022-01-17 14:12     ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-17 22:03       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  3:36         ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  7:07           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  7:14             ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  7:20               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-19 11:33                 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-19 12:21                   ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-19 14:47                     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-19 15:38                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-19 15:47                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-13 14:51 ` [PATCH 2/5] Introduce VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ_INDIRECT_DESC/VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ_IN_ORDER Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-13 15:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-13 17:07     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-13 17:25       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-17 13:59         ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-17 22:14           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  4:44             ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  6:23               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  6:32                 ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  6:54                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  7:07                     ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  7:12                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  7:30                         ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  7:40                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-19  4:21                             ` Jason Wang
2022-01-19  9:30                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-25  3:39                                 ` Jason Wang
2022-01-18 10:38                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18 10:50                             ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18 15:09                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18 17:17                                 ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-19  7:20                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-19  8:15                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2022-01-19  8:21                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-19 10:10                                         ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-19 16:40                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-19 17:07                                             ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  7:13                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  7:21                         ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-18  7:37                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-19  4:03                       ` Jason Wang
2022-01-19  4:48                         ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-19 20:25                           ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-25  3:45                             ` Jason Wang
2022-01-25  4:07                               ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-25  3:29                           ` Jason Wang
2022-01-25  3:52                             ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-25 10:59                               ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-25 12:09                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-26 13:29                                   ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-26 14:11                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-27  3:49                                       ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-27 13:05                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-27 13:25                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2022-01-28  4:35                                     ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  7:03                                 ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  9:27                                   ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-26  9:34                                     ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  9:45                                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-27  3:46                                         ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  5:04                               ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  5:26                                 ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-26  5:45                                   ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  5:58                                     ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-26  6:06                                       ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  6:24                                         ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-26  6:54                                           ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  8:09                                             ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-26  9:07                                               ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  9:47                                                 ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-13 14:51 ` [PATCH 3/5] virtio-blk: add support for VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-13 18:24   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-13 14:51 ` [PATCH 4/5] virtio-net: " Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-13 17:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-16  9:47     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-16 16:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-17 14:07       ` Parav Pandit
2022-01-17 22:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18  2:18           ` Jason Wang
2022-01-18  5:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2022-01-19  4:16               ` Jason Wang
2022-01-19  9:26                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-25  3:53                   ` Jason Wang
2022-01-25  7:19                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-26  5:49                       ` Jason Wang
2022-01-26  7:02                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-26  7:10                           ` Jason Wang
2022-01-13 14:51 ` [PATCH 5/5] Add support for dynamic MSI-X vector mgmt for VFs Max Gurtovoy
2022-01-13 18:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-18 10:38   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-13 18:32 ` [PATCH v1 0/5] VIRTIO: Provision maximum MSI-X vectors for a VF Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-01-17 10:00   ` Shahaf Shuler
2022-01-17 21:41     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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