From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
Cc: jasowang@redhat.com, virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
cohuck@redhat.com, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
oren@nvidia.com, parav@nvidia.com, shahafs@nvidia.com,
aadam@redhat.com, virtio@lists.oasis-open.org,
eperezma@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/5] Introduce device group and device management
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 12:27:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220731122521-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220731154354.15698-1-mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 06:43:49PM +0300, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
> Hi,
> A device group definition will help extending the virtio specefication for
> various future features that require a notion of grouping devices together or
> managing devices inside a group. A device group include one or more virtio devices.
> For now, only support 2 device group types was added.
>
> Also introduce the admin facility to allow manipulating features and configurations
> in a generic manner. Using the admin command set, one can manipulate the device itself
> and/or to manipulate, if possible, another device within the same device group (for now,
> introduce only support of PCI SR-IOV devices grouping managemant).
>
> The admin command set will be extended in the future to support more functionalities.
> Some of these functionalities are already under discussions.
>
> The admin virtqueue is the first management interface to issue admin commands from
> the admin command set.
> Motivation for choosing admin queue as first management interface:
> 1. It is anticipated that admin queue will be used for managing and configuring
> many different type of resources. For example,
> a. PCI PF configuring PCI VF attributes.
> b. virtio device creating/destroying/configuring subfunctions discussed in [1]
> c. composing device config space of VF or SF such as mac address, number of VQs, virtio features
>
> Mapping all of them as configuration registers to MMIO will require large MMIO space,
> if done for each VF/SF. Such MMIO implementation in physical devices such as PCI PF and VF
> requires on-chip resources to complete within MMIO access latencies. Such resources are very
> expensive.
>
> 2. Such limitation can be overcome by having smaller MMIO register set to build
> a command request response interface. However, such MMIO based command interface
> will be limited to serve single outstanding command execution. Such limitation can
> resulting in high device creation and composing time which can affect VM startup time.
> Often device can queue and service multiple commands in parallel, such command interface
> cannot use parallelism offered by the device.
>
> 3. When a command wants to DMA data from one or more physical addresses, for example in the future a
> live migration command may need to fetch device state consist of config space, tens of
> VQs state, VLAN and MAC table, per VQ partial outstanding block IO list database and more.
> Packing one or more DMA addresses over new command interface will be burden some and continue
> to suffer single outstanding command execution latencies. Such limitation is not good for time
> sensitive live migration use cases.
>
> 4. A virtio queue overcomes all the above limitations. It also supports DMA and multiple outstanding
> descriptors. Similar mechanism exist today for device specific configuration - the control VQ.
>
> A future work can add another management interface to issue admin commands.
>
> [1] https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/virtio-comment/202108/msg00025.html
>
> This series include the comments and fixes from V1-V5 of the initial patch sets ("VIRTIO: Provision maximum
> MSI-X vectors for a VF" and "Introduce virtio subsystem and Admin virtqueue" [2]).
> This series was updated with management for device feature bits instead of MSI-X vector provisioning as example for
> using admin command set. Also add dedicated feature bits for the new management capabilities as was discussed in the
> previous atempts.
>
> [2] https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/virtio-comment/202203/msg00005.html
>
>
> Open issues:
> 1. CCW and MMIO specification for admin_queue_index register
>
> Changelog:
> - remove MSI-X configuration patch from current version.
> - Addressed comments from MST, Jason Wang and others (feature bits, self device group).
> - simplified the interface.
>
Thanks a lot! Will review. I assume these are changes since v5.
So in the next revision (if any) you will want to list
- changes in v7
... future changes
- changes in v6
this list
>
> Max Gurtovoy (5):
> Introduce device group
> Introduce admin command set
> Introduce virtio admin virtqueue
> Add admin_queue_index register to PCI common configuration structure
> Introduce MGMT admin commands
>
> admin.tex | 188 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> content.tex | 68 ++++++++++++++++-
> introduction.tex | 54 ++++++++++++++
> 3 files changed, 308 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> create mode 100644 admin.tex
>
> --
> 2.21.0
prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-31 16:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-07-31 15:43 [PATCH v6 0/5] Introduce device group and device management Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-31 15:43 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] Introduce device group Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-31 20:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-31 20:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-31 21:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-02 13:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-03 4:44 ` Jason Wang
2022-08-03 6:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-03 8:04 ` Jason Wang
2022-08-03 12:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-04 2:08 ` Jason Wang
2022-08-04 6:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-04 7:17 ` Jason Wang
2022-08-03 6:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-03 23:45 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-08-04 6:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-31 15:43 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] Introduce admin command set Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-31 20:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-31 23:56 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-31 15:43 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v6 3/5] Introduce virtio admin virtqueue Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-31 21:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-31 23:07 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-08-01 6:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-31 15:43 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] Add admin_queue_index register to PCI common configuration structure Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-31 21:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-01 0:11 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-08-01 6:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-04 0:01 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-08-04 6:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-31 15:43 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] Introduce MGMT admin commands Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-31 21:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-31 16:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
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