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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>
Cc: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	stratos-dev@op-lists.linaro.org,
	"Oleksandr Tyshchenko" <olekstysh@gmail.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xen.org,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>,
	"Sebastien Boeuf" <sebastien.boeuf@intel.com>,
	"Liu Jiang" <gerry@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Mathieu Poirier" <mathieu.poirier@linaro.org>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [RFC QEMU] docs: vhost-user: Add custom memory mapping support
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 07:08:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230302120842.GB2480875@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230302081907.pwt4nvz5buyt2dz3@vireshk-i7>

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On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 01:49:07PM +0530, Viresh Kumar wrote:
> On 01-03-23, 12:29, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > What is the advantage over defining separate messages? Separate messages
> > are cleaner and more typesafe.
> 
> I thought we wanted to keep single message for one kind of functionality, which
> is mmap related quirks here. And so it would be better if we can reuse the same
> for next hypervisor which may need this.
> 
> The value parameter is not fixed and is hypervisor specific, for Xen this is the
> domain id, for others it may mean something else.

mmap-related quirks have no parameters or behavior in common so there's
no advantage in sharing a single vhost-user protocol message. Sharing
the same message just makes it awkward to build and parse the message.

> > I don't have a concrete example, but was thinking of a guest that shares
> > memory with other guests (like the experimental virtio-vhost-user
> > device). Maybe there would be a scenario where some memory belongs to
> > one domain and some belongs to another (but has been mapped into the
> > first domain), and the vhost-user back-end needs to access both.
> 
> These look tricky (and real) and I am not sure how we would want to handle
> these. Maybe wait until we have a real use-case ?

A way to deal with that is to include mmap information every time fds
are passed with a message instead of sending one global message at the
start of the vhost-user connection. This would allow each mmap to
associate extra information instead of forcing them all to use the same
information.

> > The other thing that comes to mind is that the spec must clearly state
> > which mmaps are affected by the Xen domain information. For example,
> > just mem table memory regions and not the
> > VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_LOG_SHMFD feature?
> 
> Maybe we can mention that only the mmap's performed via /dev/xen/privcmd and
> /dev/xen/gntdev files are affected by this ?

No, this doesn't explain when mmap must be performed via
/dev/xen/privcmd and /dev/xen/gntdev. The spec should be explicit about
this instead of assuming that the device implementer already knows this.

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-02 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-01 15:47 [virtio-dev] [RFC QEMU] docs: vhost-user: Add custom memory mapping support Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-01 16:31 ` Alex Bennée
2023-03-01 17:29   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-03-02  8:19     ` Viresh Kumar
2023-03-02 12:08       ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2023-03-03  8:11 ` Viresh Kumar
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2023-02-21  9:50 Viresh Kumar

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