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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: "virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Satananda Burla <sburla@marvell.com>
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH 02/11] transport-pci: Move transitional device id to legacy section
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:14:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230403110702-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB548146C767C1425EC9CC620CDC929@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 02:58:52PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 10:50 AM
> 
> > 
> > No idea what all this means, sorry.  Please do not move text that affects modern
> > drivers to a legacy section. And we've spilled way too much ink on this already.
> 
> I disagree because spec do not describe modern driver and what you are describing is not aligned the way current spec is written.
> I prefer to avoid mentioning it again the same feature bits section that talks about Transitional interface.

Sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say here.  This is all
cosmetics, matter of personal preference.  But I did my best to try to
explain the reason this is not a cleanup but a breaking change. Was I
misunderstood or you just don't agree? No idea.
The reason for current placement is this:

	A conformant implementation MUST be either transitional or
	non-transitional, see \ref{intro:Legacy
	Interface: Terminology}.

	An implementation MAY choose to implement OPTIONAL support for the
	legacy interface, including support for legacy drivers
	or devices, by conforming to all of the MUST or
	REQUIRED level requirements for the legacy interface
	for the transitional devices and drivers.

	The requirements for the legacy interface for transitional implementations
	are located in sections named ``Legacy Interface'' listed below:


Binding to a transitional ID is mandatory for modern drivers.
*This* is why this ID can not go to legacy section - all of legacy sections
are and must stay optional.

What is true (and unfortunate) is that legacy sections are not as formal
as modern ones - originally we wanted them to be informational only. For
example there is no clear separation between driver and device
conformance sections.  Work on this if you like, that is welcome.
But please stop moving mandatory text to legacy sections.

-- 
MSR


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-03 15:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30 22:58 [virtio-dev] [PATCH 00/11] Introduce transitional mmr pci device Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 01/11] transport-pci: Use lowecase alphabets Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 02/11] transport-pci: Move transitional device id to legacy section Parav Pandit
2023-03-31  6:43   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-31 21:24     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-02  7:54       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:42         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 14:50           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:58             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:14               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 03/11] transport-pci: Split notes of PCI Device Layout Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 04/11] transport-pci: Rename and move legacy PCI Device layout section Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 05/11] introduction: Add missing helping verb Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 06/11] introduction: Introduce transitional MMR interface Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  9:17   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 07/11] transport-pci: Introduce transitional MMR device id Parav Pandit
2023-04-04  7:28   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04 16:08     ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 12:03       ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 15:18         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 15:51           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-09  3:15             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 10:18               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 14:34                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 19:58                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 20:16                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  8:37   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 08/11] transport-pci: Introduce virtio extended capability Parav Pandit
2023-04-04  7:35   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04  7:54     ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 12:43       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04 13:19         ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 14:37           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 16:21             ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 19:49               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 19:57                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 20:02                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  8:39                     ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 21:18     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  5:10       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:16         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  8:15           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  1:36   ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-10  6:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  7:16       ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10 10:04         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  2:19           ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11  7:00             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  9:07               ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11 10:43                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 13:59                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:11                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 13:47               ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:02                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 14:07                   ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:10                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 14:30                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 17:54     ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 17:58       ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-11  3:28       ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11 19:01         ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 21:25           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  0:40             ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  2:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:07             ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12  4:20               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:53                 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12  5:25                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:37                     ` Jason Wang
2023-04-13 17:03                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:04           ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12  4:13             ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  4:20             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:55               ` Jason Wang
2023-05-19  6:10   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-05-19 21:02     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-21  5:57       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-05-21 13:24         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-21 14:34           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 09/11] transport-pci: Describe PCI MMR dev config registers Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  8:55   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  1:33     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-04-10  6:14       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  6:20         ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10  6:39           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  7:20             ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10 10:06               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  2:13                 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11  7:04                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  9:01                     ` Jason Wang
     [not found]                       ` <CALBs2cXURMEzCGnULicXbsBfwnKE5cZOz=M-_hhFCXZ=Lqb9Nw@mail.gmail.com>
2023-04-11 10:39                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 11:03                           ` Yan Vugenfirer
2023-04-11 10:42                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  3:58                         ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12  4:15                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:51                             ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12  5:01                               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:14                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12  5:30                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:38                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12  5:55                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  6:15                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12 14:23                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-13  1:48                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-13  3:31                                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-13  5:14                                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-13 17:19                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-13 19:39                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  3:09                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14  3:18                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  3:37                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14  3:51                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  7:05                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17  3:22                                                               ` Jason Wang
2023-04-17 17:23                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-17 20:26                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 20:28                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18  0:36                                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18  1:30                                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 11:58                                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-18 12:09                                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 12:30                                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-18 12:36                                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18  1:01                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18  1:48                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-13 17:24                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-13 21:02                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-13 21:08                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  2:36                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14  2:43                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  6:57                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-16 13:41                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-16 20:44                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 16:59                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18  1:09                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18  1:37                                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  6:58                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-14  3:08                                                     ` Jason Wang
2023-04-14  3:13                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  3:18                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14  3:22                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  3:29                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-11 13:57                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  4:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 10/11] transport-pci: Use driver notification PCI capability Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  4:31   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:37     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  4:43       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:48         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:02           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:06             ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:17               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:24                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:27                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 11/11] conformance: Add transitional MMR interface conformance Parav Pandit
2023-03-31  7:03 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH 00/11] Introduce transitional mmr pci device Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-31 21:43   ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 14:53     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:57       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:06         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:16           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:23             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:34               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:47                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:28                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 17:35                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:39                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:36               ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:16                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 17:29                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 18:02                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 20:25                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 21:04                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 22:00                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  9:35                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  1:52                               ` Jason Wang
2023-04-03 14:45 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-03 14:53   ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:48     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 19:11       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-03 20:03         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 19:48       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 20:02         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 20:42           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 21:14             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 22:08               ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 19:10     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-03 20:27       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-04 14:30         ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-12  4:48 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:52   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:12     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:15       ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:23         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:39           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  6:02       ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Halil Pasic
2023-04-25  2:42 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-02  7:17   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-05-02 13:54     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit

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