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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	cohuck@redhat.com, virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	shahafs@nvidia.com
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] [PATCH 00/11] Introduce transitional mmr pci device
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:45:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230403144523.GC302168@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230330225834.506969-1-parav@nvidia.com>

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On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 01:58:23AM +0300, Parav Pandit wrote:
> Overview:
> ---------
> The Transitional MMR device is a variant of the transitional PCI device.

What does "MMR" mean?

> It has its own small Device ID range. It does not have I/O
> region BAR; instead it exposes legacy configuration and device
> specific registers at an offset in the memory region BAR.
> 
> Such transitional MMR devices will be used at the scale of
> thousands of devices using PCI SR-IOV and/or future scalable
> virtualization technology to provide backward
> compatibility (for legacy devices) and also future
> compatibility with new features.
> 
> Usecase:
> --------
> 1. A hypervisor/system needs to provide transitional
>    virtio devices to the guest VM at scale of thousands,
>    typically, one to eight devices per VM.
> 
> 2. A hypervisor/system needs to provide such devices using a
>    vendor agnostic driver in the hypervisor system.

Is the idea that the hypervisor configures the new Transitional MMR
devices and makes them appear like virtio-pci Transitional devices?

In other words, the guest doesn't know about Transitional MMR and does
not need any code changes.

> 3. A hypervisor system prefers to have single stack regardless of
>    virtio device type (net/blk) and be future compatible with a
>    single vfio stack using SR-IOV or other scalable device
>    virtualization technology to map PCI devices to the guest VM.
>    (as transitional or otherwise)

What does this paragraph mean?

> 
> Motivation/Background:
> ----------------------
> The existing transitional PCI device is missing support for
> PCI SR-IOV based devices. Currently it does not work beyond
> PCI PF, or as software emulated device in reality. It currently
> has below cited system level limitations:
> 
> [a] PCIe spec citation:
> VFs do not support I/O Space and thus VF BARs shall not
> indicate I/O Space.
> 
> [b] cpu arch citiation:
> Intel 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer’s Manual:
> The processor’s I/O address space is separate and distinct from
> the physical-memory address space. The I/O address space consists
> of 64K individually addressable 8-bit I/O ports, numbered 0 through FFFFH.
> 
> [c] PCIe spec citation:
> If a bridge implements an I/O address range,...I/O address range
> will be aligned to a 4 KB boundary.
> 
> [d] I/O region accesses at PCI system level is slow as they are non-posted
> operations in PCIe fabric.
> 
> The usecase requirements and limitations above can be solved by
> extending the transitional device, mapping legacy and device
> specific configuration registers in a memory PCI BAR instead
> of using non composable I/O region.
> 
> Please review.

Modern devices were added to Linux in 2014 and support SR-IOV. Why is it
important to support Transitional (which really means Legacy devices,
otherwise Modern devices would be sufficient)?

> 
> Patch summary:
> --------------
> patch 1 to 5 prepares the spec
> patch 6 to 11 defines transitional mmr device
> 
> patch-1 uses lower case alphabets to name device id
> patch-2 move transitional device id in legay section along with
>         revision id
> patch-3 splits legacy feature bits description from device id
> patch-4 rename and moves virtio config registers next to 1.x
>         registers section
> patch-5 Adds missing helper verb in terminology definitions
> patch-6 introduces transitional mmr device
> patch-7 introduces transitional mmr device pci device ids
> patch-8 introduces virtio extended pci capability
> patch-9 describes new pci capability to locate legacy mmr
>         registers
> patch-10 extended usage of driver notification capability for
>          the transitional mmr device
> patch-11 adds conformance section of the transitional mmr device
> 
> This design and details further described below.
> 
> Design:
> -------
> Below picture captures the main small difference between current
> transitional PCI SR-IOV VF and transitional MMR SR-IOV VF.
> 
> +------------------+ +--------------------+ +--------------------+
> |virtio 1.x        | |Transitional        | |Transitional        |
> |SRIOV VF          | |SRIOV VF            | |MMR SRIOV VF        |
> |                  | |                    | |                    |
> ++---------------+ | ++---------------+   | ++---------------+   |
> ||dev_id =       | | ||dev_id =       |   | ||dev_id =       |   |
> ||{0x1040-0x106C}| | ||{0x1000-0x103f}|   | ||{0x10f9-0x10ff}|   |
> |+---------------+ | |+---------------+   | |+---------------+   |
> |                  | |                    | |                    |
> |+------------+    | |+------------+      | |+-----------------+ |
> ||Memory BAR  |    | ||Memory BAR  |      | ||Memory BAR       | |
> |+------------+    | |+------------+      | ||                 | |
> |                  | |                    | || +--------------+| |
> |                  | |+-----------------+ | || |legacy virtio || |
> |                  | ||IOBAR impossible | | || |+ dev cfg     || |
> |                  | |+-----------------+ | || |registers     || |
> |                  | |                    | || +--------------+| |
> |                  | |                    | |+-----------------+ |
> +------------------+ +--------------------+ +--------------------+
> 
> Here transitional MMR SR-IOV VF has legacy configuration and
> legacy device specific registers located at an offset in the memory
> region BAR.
> 
> A memory region can be dedicated at BAR0 or it can be in an
> existing BAR, allowing flexibility when implementing support
> in a hardware device.
> 
> Transitional MMR SR-IOV VFs use a distinct device ID range to that
> of existing virtio SR-IOV VFs to allow flexibility in driver
> binding.
> 
> A more zoom-in version of transitional MMR SR-IOV device shows
> that the location of the legacy registers are discovered by the
> driver using a new capability.
> 
> +------------------------------+
> |Transitional                  |
> |MMR SRIOV VF                  |
> |                              |
> ++---------------+             |
> ||dev_id =       |             |
> ||{0x10f9-0x10ff}|             |
> |+---------------+             |
> |                              |
> ++--------------------+        |
> || PCIe ext cap = 0xB |        |
> || cfg_type = 10      |        |
> || offset   = 0x1000  |        |
> || bar      = N {0..5}|        |
> |+--|-----------------+        |
> |   |                          |
> |   |                          |
> |   |    +-------------------+ |
> |   |    | Memory BAR = A    | |
> |   |    |                   | |
> |   +------>+--------------+ | |
> |        |  |legacy virtio | | |
> |        |  |+ dev cfg     | | |
> |        |  |registers     | | |
> |        |  +--------------+ | |
> |        +-----------------+ | |
> +------------------------------+
> 
> Software usage:
> ---------------
> Transitional MMR device can be used by multiple ways.
> 
> 1. The most common way to use and map to the guest VM is by
> using vfio driver framework in Linux kernel.
> 
>                 +----------------------+
>                 |pci_dev_id = 0x100X   |
> +---------------|pci_rev_id = 0x0      |-----+
> |vfio device    |BAR0 = I/O region     |     |
> |               |Other attributes      |     |
> |               +----------------------+     |
> |                                            |
> +   +--------------+     +-----------------+ |
> |   |I/O to memory |     | Other vfio      | |
> |   |rd/wr mapper  |     | functionalities | |
> |   +--------------+     +-----------------+ |
> |                                            |
> +-------------------+------------------------+
>                     |
>        +------------+-----------------+
>        |         Transitional         |
>        |         MMR SRIOV VF         |
>        +------------------------------+
> 
> 2. Virtio pci driver to bind to the listed device id and
>    use it as native device in the host.
> 
> 3. Use it in a light weight hypervisor to run bare-metal OS.
> 
> Parav Pandit (11):
>   transport-pci: Use lowecase alphabets
>   transport-pci: Move transitional device id to legacy section
>   transport-pci: Split notes of PCI Device Layout
>   transport-pci: Rename and move legacy PCI Device layout section
>   introduction: Add missing helping verb
>   introduction: Introduce transitional MMR interface
>   transport-pci: Introduce transitional MMR device id
>   transport-pci: Introduce virtio extended capability
>   transport-pci: Describe PCI MMR dev config registers
>   transport-pci: Use driver notification PCI capability
>   conformance: Add transitional MMR interface conformance
> 
>  conformance.tex      |  11 +-
>  introduction.tex     |  34 +++-
>  tmmr-conformance.tex |  27 +++
>  transport-pci.tex    | 405 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------
>  4 files changed, 354 insertions(+), 123 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 tmmr-conformance.tex
> 
> -- 
> 2.26.2
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-04-03 14:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30 22:58 [virtio-dev] [PATCH 00/11] Introduce transitional mmr pci device Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 01/11] transport-pci: Use lowecase alphabets Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 02/11] transport-pci: Move transitional device id to legacy section Parav Pandit
2023-03-31  6:43   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-31 21:24     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-02  7:54       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:42         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 14:50           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:58             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:14               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 03/11] transport-pci: Split notes of PCI Device Layout Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 04/11] transport-pci: Rename and move legacy PCI Device layout section Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 05/11] introduction: Add missing helping verb Parav Pandit
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 06/11] introduction: Introduce transitional MMR interface Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  9:17   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 07/11] transport-pci: Introduce transitional MMR device id Parav Pandit
2023-04-04  7:28   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04 16:08     ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 12:03       ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-07 15:18         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07 15:51           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-09  3:15             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 10:18               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 14:34                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 19:58                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 20:16                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  8:37   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 08/11] transport-pci: Introduce virtio extended capability Parav Pandit
2023-04-04  7:35   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04  7:54     ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 12:43       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-04 13:19         ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 14:37           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 16:21             ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 19:49               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 19:57                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 20:02                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  8:39                     ` Cornelia Huck
2023-04-04 21:18     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-05  5:10       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-05 13:16         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  8:15           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  1:36   ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-10  6:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  7:16       ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10 10:04         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  2:19           ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11  7:00             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  9:07               ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11 10:43                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 13:59                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:11                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 13:47               ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:02                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 14:07                   ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 14:10                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 14:30                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 17:54     ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-10 17:58       ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-11  3:28       ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11 19:01         ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-11 21:25           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  0:40             ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  2:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:07             ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12  4:20               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:53                 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12  5:25                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:37                     ` Jason Wang
2023-04-13 17:03                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:04           ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12  4:13             ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  4:20             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:55               ` Jason Wang
2023-05-19  6:10   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-05-19 21:02     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-21  5:57       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-05-21 13:24         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-21 14:34           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 09/11] transport-pci: Describe PCI MMR dev config registers Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  8:55   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  1:33     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-04-10  6:14       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  6:20         ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10  6:39           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  7:20             ` Jason Wang
2023-04-10 10:06               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  2:13                 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-11  7:04                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11  9:01                     ` Jason Wang
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2023-04-11 10:39                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 11:03                           ` Yan Vugenfirer
2023-04-11 10:42                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  3:58                         ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12  4:15                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:51                             ` Jason Wang
2023-04-12  5:01                               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:14                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12  5:30                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:38                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12  5:55                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  6:15                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-12 14:23                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-13  1:48                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-13  3:31                                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-13  5:14                                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-04-13 17:19                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-13 19:39                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  3:09                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14  3:18                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  3:37                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14  3:51                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  7:05                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17  3:22                                                               ` Jason Wang
2023-04-17 17:23                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-17 20:26                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 20:28                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18  0:36                                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18  1:30                                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 11:58                                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-18 12:09                                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18 12:30                                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-18 12:36                                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18  1:01                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18  1:48                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-13 17:24                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-13 21:02                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-13 21:08                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  2:36                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14  2:43                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  6:57                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-16 13:41                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-16 20:44                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-17 16:59                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-18  1:09                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-18  1:37                                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  6:58                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-14  3:08                                                     ` Jason Wang
2023-04-14  3:13                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  3:18                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-14  3:22                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-14  3:29                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-04-11 13:57                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  4:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 10/11] transport-pci: Use driver notification PCI capability Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  4:31   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:37     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  4:43       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:48         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:02           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:06             ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:17               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:24                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:27                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 22:58 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH 11/11] conformance: Add transitional MMR interface conformance Parav Pandit
2023-03-31  7:03 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH 00/11] Introduce transitional mmr pci device Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-31 21:43   ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 14:53     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 14:57       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:06         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:16           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 15:23             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:34               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:47                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:28                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 17:35                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:39                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 15:36               ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:16                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 17:29                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 18:02                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 20:25                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 21:04                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 22:00                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-07  9:35                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10  1:52                               ` Jason Wang
2023-04-03 14:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2023-04-03 14:53   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 17:48     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 19:11       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-03 20:03         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 19:48       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 20:02         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 20:42           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 21:14             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-03 22:08               ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-03 19:10     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-03 20:27       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-04 14:30         ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-12  4:48 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  4:52   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:12     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:15       ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:23         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-12  5:39           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  6:02       ` Parav Pandit
2023-04-12  5:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Halil Pasic
2023-04-25  2:42 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-05-02  7:17   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-05-02 13:54     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit

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