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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"cohuck@redhat.com" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"david.edmondson@oracle.com" <david.edmondson@oracle.com>,
	"sburla@marvell.com" <sburla@marvell.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	Maor Gottlieb <maorg@nvidia.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 04:57:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230607045414-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEv1so_KGwJZG3GnAf=JNky7+BMNK7N4NTtucDS+WyW5VA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 07, 2023 at 10:27:12AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 7:56 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 10:12:59PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> > > Rolling v4 now.
> >
> > Great thanks! I think the result will be in a good shape from
> > the ABI point of view. Good job!
> >
> > I think so far Jason was the only one with significant comments
> > on the series so let's see what he says.
> 
> I can't say I like this. I prefer to do meditation on top of a modern
> device with some lightweight features like _F_LEAGCY_HEADER. I don't
> see any advantages of a new legacy ABI over _F_LEGACY_HEADER. I don't
> want to repeat but I don't get any response here
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/virtio-dev/CACGkMEuixsBibSq_pEQvcKOH0WBQWnta4Q2c28SV8qTS8gaVcA@mail.gmail.com/#t


After trying to write this I came away with a conviction that
if hardware vendors are prepared to implement legacy
in hardware we should let them do exactly that.


> >
> > From my personal POV what will be left to do to get this
> > feature ready for merging would be
> >
> > - tightening the language:
> > - thinking of and addressing all kind of corner cases.
> 
> We need first to check whether it's possible (not too late) to find
> all the corner cases.
> 
> Thanks

For sure, but of course we need to stop arguing about whether
to have the feature in the 1st place.

> >
> >
> > Since by now from our email discussions I have I think
> > a decent understanding of how the feature is supposed to work
> > I understand how these things work but I think there are still
> > things that would be a bit unclear for an unprepared reader.
> >
> > Just to give a random example, there's no explicit
> > time where the member kind of switches to the legacy/back to modern
> > mode. I am guessing setting DRIVER bit through legacy interface
> > does this. We'll want to list that.
> >
> > I'll try to help find these issues and maybe even suggest wording.
> >
> > I've delayed commenting on these until the high level design is agreed
> > on, didn't want to make you waste time on polishing as the patches
> > undergo significant changes, and I suggest you do the same in v4: let's
> > make sure there's a wide agreement on the ABI then focus on the spec
> > language.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > MST
> >


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      parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-07  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-02 20:36 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] admin: Split opcode table rows with a line Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 2/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access commands Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:22   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:51     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:13       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:32         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:41           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 15:01             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 22:10               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 23:57                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:34   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:55     ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:00       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:04         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-02 20:36 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 3/3] transport-pci: Add legacy register access conformance section Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:34 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] transport-pci: Introduce legacy registers access using AQ Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 13:41   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 13:55     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:10       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:23         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 14:48           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 14:53             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 15:07               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-04 21:48                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-04 23:40                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05  5:51                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 13:27                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 13:50                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 16:04                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-05 21:57                             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-05 22:12                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-06 11:56                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-06 20:15                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-07  2:27                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-06-07  3:05                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-07  6:54                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-06-07  8:54                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 14:38                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 14:44                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 14:53                                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 15:03                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 15:16                                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:03                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 18:11                                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 18:31                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:00                                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 19:03                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 19:12                                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:06                                           ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:29                                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:42                                               ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:53                                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  2:56                                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-06-09  2:58                                                     ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  3:02                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09  3:25                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-09  6:27                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-09  7:21                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09 17:11                                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11  0:27                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11  2:08                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11  7:14                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 12:54                                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 20:09                                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-11 20:17                                                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-11 23:15                                                                             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26  3:46                                                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:32                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:51                                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27  2:38                                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-27  3:17                                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27  4:33                                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:50                                                               ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  3:55                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-26 10:49                                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09  7:15                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26  3:59                                               ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  4:04                                                 ` [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-27  2:42                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2023-06-26  7:13                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07  8:57                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]

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