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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Virtio-Dev <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>, Oren Duer <oren@nvidia.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>, Bodong Wang <bodong@nvidia.com>,
	Alexander Mikheev <amikheev@nvidia.com>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 1/2] virtio: introduce virtqueue state as basic facility
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:36:31 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6277be35-34ad-6680-e25c-bbc8f6d3fe5d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ed8233e2-f694-78cb-f1c7-037cd0637ec6@redhat.com>


在 2021/7/7 上午10:42, Jason Wang 写道:
>
> 在 2021/7/7 上午3:08, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
>> On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 07:09:10PM +0200, Eugenio Perez Martin wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:32 AM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 12:33:33PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>> This patch adds new device facility to save and restore virtqueue
>>>>> state. The virtqueue state is split into two parts:
>>>>>
>>>>> - The available state: The state that is used for read the next
>>>>>    available buffer.
>>>>> - The used state: The state that is used for making buffer used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that, there could be devices that is required to set and get the
>>>>> requests that are being processed by the device. I leave such API to
>>>>> be device specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> This facility could be used by both migration and device diagnostic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
>>>> Hi Jason!
>>>> I feel that for use-cases such as SRIOV,
>>>> the facility to save/restore vq should be part of a PF
>>>> that is there needs to be a way for one virtio device to
>>>> address the state of another one.
>>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> In my opinion we should go the other way around: To make features as
>>> orthogonal/independent as possible, and just make them work together
>>> if we have to. In this particular case, I think it should be easier to
>>> decide how to report status, its needs, etc for a VF, and then open
>>> the possibility for the PF to query or set them, reusing format,
>>> behavior, etc. as much as possible.
>>>
>>> I think that the most controversial point about doing it non-SR IOV
>>> way is the exposing of these features/fields to the guest using
>>> specific transport facilities, like PCI common config. However I think
>>> it should not be hard for the hypervisor to intercept them and even to
>>> expose them conditionally. Please correct me if this guessing was not
>>> right and you had other concerns.
>>
>> Possibly. I'd like to see some guidance on how this all will work
>> in practice then. Maybe make it all part of a non-normative section
>> for now.
>> I think that the feature itself is not very useful outside of
>> migration so we don't really gain much by adding it as is
>> without all the other missing pieces.
>
>
> For networking device, the only missing part is the transport 
> implementation of the virtqueue state.


So I've posted a patch to implement the virtqueue state for PCI. This 
should be sufficient for a virtio-PCI device to be migrated.

Thanks


>
>
>> I would say let's see more of the whole picture before we commit.
>
>
> I will include an implementation of PCI as an example.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>   content.tex | 117 
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>   1 file changed, 117 insertions(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
>>>>> index 620c0e2..8877b6f 100644
>>>>> --- a/content.tex
>>>>> +++ b/content.tex
>>>>> @@ -385,6 +385,116 @@ \section{Exporting Objects}\label{sec:Basic 
>>>>> Facilities of a Virtio Device / Expo
>>>>>   types. It is RECOMMENDED that devices generate version 4
>>>>>   UUIDs as specified by \hyperref[intro:rfc4122]{[RFC4122]}.
>>>>>
>>>>> +\section{Virtqueue State}\label{sec:Virtqueues / Virtqueue State}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +When VIRTIO_F_RING_STATE is negotiated, the driver can set and
>>>>> +get the device internal virtqueue state through the following
>>>>> +fields. The way to access those fields is transport specific.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +\subsection{\field{Available State} Field}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The \field{Available State} field is two bytes for the driver to get
>>>>> +or set the state that is used by the virtqueue to read for the next
>>>>> +available buffer.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +When VIRTIO_F_RING_PACKED is not negotiated, it contains:
>>>>> +
>>>>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>>>>> +le16 {
>>>>> +        last_avail_idx : 16;
>>>>> +} avail_state;
>>>>> +\end{lstlisting}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The \field{last_avail_idx} field indicates where the device would 
>>>>> read
>>>>> +for the next index from the virtqueue available ring(modulo the 
>>>>> queue
>>>>> + size). This starts at the value set by the driver, and increases.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +When VIRTIO_F_RING_PACKED is negotiated, it contains:
>>>>> +
>>>>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>>>>> +le16 {
>>>>> +        last_avail_idx : 15;
>>>>> +        last_avail_wrap_counter : 1;
>>>>> +} avail_state;
>>>>> +\end{lstlisting}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The \field{last_avail_idx} field indicates where the device would 
>>>>> read for
>>>>> +the next descriptor head from the descriptor ring. This starts at 
>>>>> the
>>>>> +value set by the driver and wraps around when reaching the end of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> +ring.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The \field{last_avail_wrap_counter} field indicates the last 
>>>>> Driver Ring
>>>>> +Wrap Counter that is observed by the device. This starts at the 
>>>>> value
>>>>> +set by the driver, and is flipped when reaching the end of the ring.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +See also \ref{sec:Packed Virtqueues / Driver and Device Ring Wrap 
>>>>> Counters}.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +\subsection{\field{Used State} Field}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The \field{Used State} field is two bytes for the driver to set and
>>>>> +get the state used by the virtqueue to make buffer used.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +When VIRTIO_F_RING_PACKED is not negotiated, the used state 
>>>>> contains:
>>>>> +
>>>>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>>>>> +le16 {
>>>>> +        used_idx : 16;
>>>>> +} used_state;
>>>>> +\end{lstlisting}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The \field{used_idx} where the device would write the next used
>>>>> +descriptor head to the used ring (modulo the queue size). This 
>>>>> starts
>>>>> +at the value set by the driver, and increases. It is easy to see 
>>>>> this
>>>>> +is the initial value of the \field{idx} in the used ring.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +See also \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / 
>>>>> Virtqueues / The Virtqueue Used Ring}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +When VIRTIO_F_RING_PACKED is negotiated, the used state contains:
>>>>> +
>>>>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>>>>> +le16 {
>>>>> +        used_idx : 15;
>>>>> +        used_wrap_counter : 1;
>>>>> +} used_state;
>>>>> +\end{lstlisting}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The \field{used_idx} indicates where the device would write the 
>>>>> next used
>>>>> +descriptor head to the descriptor ring. This starts at the value set
>>>>> +by the driver, and warps around when reaching the end of the ring.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +\field{used_wrap_counter} is the Device Ring Wrap Counter. This 
>>>>> starts
>>>>> +at the value set by the driver, and is flipped when reaching the end
>>>>> +of the ring.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +See also \ref{sec:Packed Virtqueues / Driver and Device Ring Wrap 
>>>>> Counters}.
>>>>
>>>> Above only fully describes the vq state if descriptors
>>>> are used in order or at least all out of order descriptors are 
>>>> consumed
>>>> at time of save.
>>>>
>>> I think that the most straightforward solution would be to add
>>> something similar to VHOST_USER_GET_INFLIGHT_FD, but without the _FD
>>> part.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>> Adding later option to devices such as net will need extra spec work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> +\drivernormative{\subsection}{Virtqueue State}{Basic Facilities 
>>>>> of a Virtio Device / Virtqueue State}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +If VIRTIO_F_RING_STATE has been negotiated:
>>>>> +\begin{itemize}
>>>>> +\item A driver MUST NOT set the virtqueue state before setting the
>>>>> +  FEATURE_OK status bit.
>>>>> +\item A driver MUST NOT set the virtqueue state after setting the
>>>>> +  DRIVER_OK status bit.
>>>>> +\end{itemize}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +\devicenormative{\subsection}{Virtqueue State}{Basic Facilities 
>>>>> of a Virtio Device / Virtqueue State}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +If VIRTIO_F_RING_STATE has not been negotiated, a device MUST ingore
>>>>> +the read and write to the virtqueue state.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +If VIRTIO_F_RING_STATE has been negotiated:
>>>>> +\begin{itemize}
>>>>> +\item A device SHOULD ignore the write to the virtqueue state if the
>>>>> +FEATURE_OK status bit is not set.
>>>>> +\item A device SHOULD ignore the write to the virtqueue state if the
>>>>> +DRIVER_OK status bit is set.
>>>>> +\end{itemize}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +If VIRTIO_F_RING_STATE has been negotiated, a device MAY has its
>>>>
>>>> may have?
>>>> should also go into a normative section
>>>>
>>>>> +device-specific way for the driver to set and get extra virtqueue
>>>>> +states such as in flight requests.
>>>>> +
>>>>>   \chapter{General Initialization And Device 
>>>>> Operation}\label{sec:General Initialization And Device Operation}
>>>>>
>>>>>   We start with an overview of device initialization, then expand 
>>>>> on the
>>>>> @@ -420,6 +530,9 @@ \section{Device 
>>>>> Initialization}\label{sec:General Initialization And Device Oper
>>>>>      device, optional per-bus setup, reading and possibly writing the
>>>>>      device's virtio configuration space, and population of 
>>>>> virtqueues.
>>>>>
>>>>> +\item\label{itm:General Initialization And Device Operation / Device
>>>>> +  Initialization / Virtqueue State Setup} When 
>>>>> VIRTIO_F_RING_STATE has been negotiated, perform virtqueue state 
>>>>> setup, including the initialization of the per virtqueue available 
>>>>> state, used state and the possible device specific virtqueue state.
>>>>> +
>>>>>   \item\label{itm:General Initialization And Device Operation / 
>>>>> Device Initialization / Set DRIVER-OK} Set the DRIVER_OK status 
>>>>> bit.  At this point the device is
>>>>>      ``live''.
>>>>>   \end{enumerate}
>>>>> @@ -6596,6 +6709,10 @@ \chapter{Reserved Feature 
>>>>> Bits}\label{sec:Reserved Feature Bits}
>>>>>     transport specific.
>>>>>     For more details about driver notifications over PCI see 
>>>>> \ref{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / 
>>>>> PCI-specific Initialization And Device Operation / Available 
>>>>> Buffer Notifications}.
>>>>>
>>>>> +  \item[VIRTIO_F_RING_STATE(40)] This feature indicates that the 
>>>>> driver
>>>>> +  can set and get the device internal virtqueue state.
>>>>> +  See \ref{sec:Virtqueues / Virtqueue 
>>>>> State}~\nameref{sec:Virtqueues / Virtqueue State}.
>>>>> +
>>>>>   \end{description}
>>>>>
>>>>>   \drivernormative{\section}{Reserved Feature Bits}{Reserved 
>>>>> Feature Bits}
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> 2.25.1


  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-07  4:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-06  4:33 [PATCH V2 0/2] Vitqueue State Synchronization Jason Wang
2021-07-06  4:33 ` [PATCH V2 1/2] virtio: introduce virtqueue state as basic facility Jason Wang
2021-07-06  9:32   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-06 17:09     ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-06 19:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-06 23:49         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07  2:50           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 12:03             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07  2:42         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  4:36           ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-07-07  2:41       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 12:27   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-07  3:29     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2021-07-06  4:33 ` [PATCH V2 2/2] virtio: introduce STOP status bit Jason Wang
2021-07-06  9:24   ` [virtio-comment] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-07-07  3:20     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-09 17:23       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-10 20:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-12  4:00           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12  9:57             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13  3:27               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13  8:19                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-13  9:13                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 11:31                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-13 12:23                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 12:28                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-14  2:47                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  6:20                             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-14  8:53                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  9:24                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-15  2:01                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 10:00                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 12:16                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  9:53                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-14 10:29                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14 15:07                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-14 16:22                           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-15  1:38                             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15  9:26                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  1:48                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:08                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  2:46                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 21:18                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-16  2:19                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15  1:35                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15  9:16                             ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  1:44                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:18                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  2:50                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 10:31                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-21  2:59                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 10:01                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  2:03                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-16  3:53                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:45                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  3:04                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20  8:50                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 10:48                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-20 12:47                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21  2:29                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:20                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22  7:33                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-22 10:24                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22 13:08                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-26 15:07                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27  7:43                                                     ` Max Reitz
2021-08-03  6:33                                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03 10:37                                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-03 11:42                                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03 12:22                                                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-04  1:42                                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-08-04  9:07                                                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-05  6:38                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-05  8:19                                                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-06  6:15                                                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-08  9:31                                                                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-04  9:20                                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-05  6:45                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-04  8:38                                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-04  8:36                                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-05  6:35                                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:43                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  3:02                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 10:19                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21  2:52                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:42                                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22  2:08                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-22 10:30                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 12:27                                     ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-20 12:57                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 13:09                                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-21  3:06                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:48                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21 11:37                                             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-21  3:09                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 11:43                                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-22  2:01                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12  3:53         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 12:50   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-06 13:18     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 14:27       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-07  0:05         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07  3:14           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  2:56         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 16:45           ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-08  4:06             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-09 17:35   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-12  4:06     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-10 20:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-12  4:04     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12 10:12 ` [PATCH V2 0/2] Vitqueue State Synchronization Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13  3:08   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 10:30     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 11:56       ` Jason Wang

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