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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, jasowang@redhat.com,
	mst@redhat.com, sgarzare@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com,
	nrupal.jani@intel.com, Piotr.Uminski@intel.com,
	hang.yuan@intel.com
Cc: virtio@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>,
	pasic@linux.ibm.com, Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
Subject: [virtio] Re: [PATCH v8 2/9] admin: introduce device group and related concepts
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 13:11:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878rk3fau0.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221121012419.317406-3-mst@redhat.com>

On Sun, Nov 20 2022, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:

> Each device group has a type. For now, define one initial group:
>
> SR-IOV type - PCI SR-IOV virtual functions (VFs) of a given
> PCI SR-IOV physical function (PF). This group may contain one or more
> virtio devices.
>
> Each device within a group has a unique identifier. This identifier
> is the group member identifier.
>
> Note: one can argue both ways whether the new device group handling
> functionality (this and following patches) is closer
> to a new device type or a new transport type.
>
> However, I expect that we will add more features in the near future. To
> facilitate this as much as possible of the text is located in the new
> admin chapter.
>
> I did my best to minimize transport-specific text.
>
> Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
> Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> ---
>  admin.tex   | 50 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  content.tex |  2 ++
>  2 files changed, 52 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 admin.tex
>
> diff --git a/admin.tex b/admin.tex
> new file mode 100644
> index 0000000..4337db0
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/admin.tex
> @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@
> +\section{Device groups}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Device groups}
> +
> +It is occasionally useful to have a device control a group of
> +other devices. Terminology used in such cases:
> +
> +\begin{description}
> +\item[Device group]
> +        or just group, includes zero or more devices.
> +\item[Owner device]
> +        or owner, the device controlling the group.
> +\item[Member device]
> +        a device within a group. Owner device itself is not

s/Owner/The owner/

> +	a member of the group. In the future it is envisoned that
> +	new group types may be introduced where the owner
> +	device is a member of the group.

So, shouldn't it rather be: "Whether the owner device itself is a member
of the group depends on the type of the group." ? Or do we want to
prefer the owner _not_ being a member of the group?

> +\item[Member identifier]
> +        each member has this identifier, unique within the group
> +	and used to address it through the owner device.
> +\item[Group type identifier]
> +	specifies what kind of member devices there are in a
> +	group, how is the member identifier interpreted

"how the member indentifier is interpreted, ..."

> +	and what kind of control does the owner have.

s/does the owner have/the owner has/

> +	At the moment, a given owner can control
> +	a single group of a given type, thus the type and
> +	the owner together identify the group.
> +	It is envisioned that this last restriction might be relaxed in the future,
> +	with multiple groups of the same type for a given owner.

Hm...

"A given owner may control a single group of a given type (which means
that the type and the owner together identify the group), or multiple
groups of the same type. Currently, only a single group per owner is
supported." ?

Basically, I'd prefer if we spelled out what is possible in general, and
then add a comment that only a subset of the possibilities is currently
implemented.

> +\end{description}
> +
> +A single group type is currently specified:

"The following group types are currently specified:" ?

Less editing once we add a second one :)

> +\begin{description}
> +\item[SR-IOV group type]

Maybe \item[SR-IOV group type (1)] ? It's nice to have the identifier in
the title already (like we do for features.)

> +This device group has a PCI Single Root I/O Virtualization
> +(SR-IOV) physical function (PF) device as the owner and includes
> +all its SR-IOV virtual functions (VFs) as members (see
> +\hyperref[intro:PCIe]{[PCIe]}).
> +
> +The PF device itself is not a member of the group.
> +
> +The group type identifier for this group is 0x1.
> +
> +A member identifier for this group can have a value 0x1 to 0xFFFF
> +and equals the SR-IOV VF number of the member device (see
> +\hyperref[intro:PCIe]{[PCIe]}).
> +
> +Both owner and member devices for this group type use the Virtio
> +PCI transport (see \ref{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus}).
> +\end{description}


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-22 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-21  1:25 [PATCH v8 0/9] Introduce device group and device management Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 1/9] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 15:24   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 20:26     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:21       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23  9:28         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 2/9] admin: introduce device group and related concepts Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 12:11   ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2022-11-22 20:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:26       ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 3/9] admin: introduce group administration commands Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 12:43   ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 4/9] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 13:14   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 19:31     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:30       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23  9:32         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:54           ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 5/9] pci: add admin vq registers to virtio over pci Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 14:46   ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 19:23     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:36       ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23  9:38         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 6/9] mmio: document ADMIN_VQ as reserved Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 7/9] ccw: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 15:53   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-21 16:48     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 17:09     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22  8:50       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22  9:51         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 8/9] admin: command list discovery Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 11:06   ` Uminski, Piotr
2022-12-15  9:09     ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-15  9:52       ` Uminski, Piotr
2022-12-24 18:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 15:25   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 19:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:51       ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23 10:00         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23 10:09           ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23 10:16             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23 10:33               ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23 11:21                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 9/9] admin: conformance clauses Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 16:06   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 19:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:52       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck

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