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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, hans@linux.alibaba.com,
	herongguang@linux.alibaba.com, zmlcc@linux.alibaba.com,
	dust.li@linux.alibaba.com, tonylu@linux.alibaba.com,
	zhenzao@linux.alibaba.com, helinguo@linux.alibaba.com,
	gerry@linux.alibaba.com, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	wintera@linux.ibm.com, kgraul@linux.ibm.com,
	wenjia@linux.ibm.com, jaka@linux.ibm.com, hca@linux.ibm.com,
	twinkler@linux.ibm.com, raspl@linux.ibm.com,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH v2 1/1] virtio-ism: introduce new device virtio-ism
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 17:07:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lem7d9ea.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230112164132.09d292e5.pasic@linux.ibm.com>

On Thu, Jan 12 2023, Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 15:30:58 +0100
> Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> >>
>> >> I like that: we don't want to talk about hosts/VMMs/etc. as we
>> >> fundamentally deal with devices and drivers, but sharing between guests
>> >> is of course the obvious use case.
>> >>
>> >> I'm just wondering how best to express the uniqueness scope, is it per
>> >> (ISM) device?  
>> >
>> > No, each vm has at least one separate device. The devices in a host form
>> > an uniqueness scope.  
>> 
>> Should we call it a 'group', then? A host would be an example of such a
>> group.
>
> How about 'communication domain'? Devices within a single communication
> domain may be able to speak to each other via SMC and may not have the
> same device_id. Two devices from different communication domains can't
> communicate via ISM, but may have the same device_id.
>
> I don't like group because it is very generic, and may sound like
> the grouping can be done arbitrarily. E.g. with a shared memory based
> implementation akin to the PoC putting devices on different hosts into
> the same 'group' should be illegal.

Yes, 'communication domain' sounds better.

>
> On the other hand there is also the following question. If we move away
> form the one ID per host model ("The device MUST ensure that the gid on
> the same entity i same and different from the gid on other entity.") then
> we could also allow having more than one communication domains on a
> single host (to limit what entities can use ISM to communicate).

Makes sense, I guess. But I haven't looked too much into the details of
ism yet.


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-12 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-23  8:13 [PATCH v2 0/1] introduce virtio-ism: internal shared memory device Xuan Zhuo
2022-12-23  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] virtio-ism: introduce new device virtio-ism Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-10 22:34   ` [virtio-dev] " Halil Pasic
2023-01-11 11:08     ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-11 15:11       ` Halil Pasic
2023-01-12  2:01         ` Jason Wang
2023-01-12  6:56           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-12  8:42             ` Cornelia Huck
2023-01-12 11:48               ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-12 14:30                 ` Cornelia Huck
2023-01-12 15:41                   ` Halil Pasic
2023-01-12 16:07                     ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2023-01-13  1:58                     ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-13  2:29                       ` Jason Wang
2023-01-13  6:24                         ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-13 12:00                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-16  2:10                             ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-19 12:30                               ` Alexandra Winter
2023-01-28  7:42                                 ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-12 11:47             ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-12 12:15             ` Halil Pasic
2023-01-11 15:22       ` Halil Pasic
2023-01-12 11:57         ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-11 15:30       ` Halil Pasic
2023-01-12 12:03         ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-11 20:46       ` Halil Pasic
2023-01-12 12:23         ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-11 21:12       ` Halil Pasic
2023-01-12  7:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-12 12:31         ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-20 13:06           ` Halil Pasic
2023-01-12 12:40         ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-02-05 12:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-06  2:15           ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-01-25 12:55 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] introduce virtio-ism: internal shared memory device Wenjia Zhang
2023-03-01  9:34   ` Tony Lu
2023-03-01  9:34     ` [virtio-dev] " Tony Lu

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