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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Virtio-Dev <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>, Oren Duer <oren@nvidia.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>, Bodong Wang <bodong@nvidia.com>,
	Alexander Mikheev <amikheev@nvidia.com>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] [PATCH V2 2/2] virtio: introduce STOP status bit
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:48:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o8ax8dmc.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YPaOYTAHaHYcelth@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

On Tue, Jul 20 2021, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:04:55AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> Let me clarify, I agree we can't have a standard device state for all kinds
>> of device.
>> 
>> That's way I tend to leave them to be device specific. (but not
>> implementation specific)
>
> Unfortunately device state is sometimes implementation-specific. Not
> because the device is proprietary, but because the actual state is
> meaningless to other implementations.
>
> I mentioned virtiofs as an example where file system backends can be
> implemented in completely different ways so the device state cannot be
> migrated between implementations.
>
>> But we can generalize the virtqueue state for sure.
>
> I agree and also that some device types can standardize their device
> state representations. But I think it's a technical requirement to
> support implementation-specific state for device types where
> cross-implementation migration is not possible.
>
> I'm not saying the implementation-specific state representation has to
> be a binary blob. There could be an identifier registry to ensure live
> migration compatibility checks can be performed. There could also be a
> standard binary encoding for migration data. But the contents will be
> implementation-specific for some devices.

Can we at least put those implementation-specific states into some kind
of structured, standardized form? E.g. something like

<type category: file system backend data>
<type identifier: file system foo>
<length>
<data>

so that we can at least do compat checks for "I know how to handle foo"?


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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-20 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-06  4:33 [PATCH V2 0/2] Vitqueue State Synchronization Jason Wang
2021-07-06  4:33 ` [PATCH V2 1/2] virtio: introduce virtqueue state as basic facility Jason Wang
2021-07-06  9:32   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-06 17:09     ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-06 19:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-06 23:49         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07  2:50           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 12:03             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07  2:42         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  4:36           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  2:41       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 12:27   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-07  3:29     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2021-07-06  4:33 ` [PATCH V2 2/2] virtio: introduce STOP status bit Jason Wang
2021-07-06  9:24   ` [virtio-comment] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-07-07  3:20     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-09 17:23       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-10 20:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-12  4:00           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12  9:57             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13  3:27               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13  8:19                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-13  9:13                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 11:31                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-13 12:23                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 12:28                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-14  2:47                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  6:20                             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-14  8:53                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  9:24                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-15  2:01                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 10:00                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 12:16                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14  9:53                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-14 10:29                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14 15:07                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-14 16:22                           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-15  1:38                             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15  9:26                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  1:48                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:08                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  2:46                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 21:18                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-16  2:19                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15  1:35                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15  9:16                             ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  1:44                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:18                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  2:50                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 10:31                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-21  2:59                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 10:01                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16  2:03                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-16  3:53                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:45                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  3:04                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20  8:50                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 10:48                                         ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2021-07-20 12:47                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21  2:29                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:20                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22  7:33                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-22 10:24                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22 13:08                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-26 15:07                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27  7:43                                                     ` Max Reitz
2021-08-03  6:33                                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03 10:37                                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-03 11:42                                                         ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03 12:22                                                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-04  1:42                                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-08-04  9:07                                                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-05  6:38                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-05  8:19                                                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-06  6:15                                                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-08  9:31                                                                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-04  9:20                                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-05  6:45                                                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-04  8:38                                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-04  8:36                                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-05  6:35                                                             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:43                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20  3:02                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 10:19                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21  2:52                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:42                                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22  2:08                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-22 10:30                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 12:27                                     ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-20 12:57                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 13:09                                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-21  3:06                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:48                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21 11:37                                             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-21  3:09                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 11:43                                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-22  2:01                                           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12  3:53         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 12:50   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-06 13:18     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 14:27       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-07  0:05         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07  3:14           ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  2:56         ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 16:45           ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-08  4:06             ` Jason Wang
2021-07-09 17:35   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-12  4:06     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-10 20:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-12  4:04     ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12 10:12 ` [PATCH V2 0/2] Vitqueue State Synchronization Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13  3:08   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 10:30     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 11:56       ` Jason Wang

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