From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>,
"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
Virtio-Dev <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>, Oren Duer <oren@nvidia.com>,
Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>, Bodong Wang <bodong@nvidia.com>,
Alexander Mikheev <amikheev@nvidia.com>,
Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] [PATCH V2 2/2] virtio: introduce STOP status bit
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:48:43 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o8ax8dmc.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YPaOYTAHaHYcelth@stefanha-x1.localdomain>
On Tue, Jul 20 2021, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:04:55AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> Let me clarify, I agree we can't have a standard device state for all kinds
>> of device.
>>
>> That's way I tend to leave them to be device specific. (but not
>> implementation specific)
>
> Unfortunately device state is sometimes implementation-specific. Not
> because the device is proprietary, but because the actual state is
> meaningless to other implementations.
>
> I mentioned virtiofs as an example where file system backends can be
> implemented in completely different ways so the device state cannot be
> migrated between implementations.
>
>> But we can generalize the virtqueue state for sure.
>
> I agree and also that some device types can standardize their device
> state representations. But I think it's a technical requirement to
> support implementation-specific state for device types where
> cross-implementation migration is not possible.
>
> I'm not saying the implementation-specific state representation has to
> be a binary blob. There could be an identifier registry to ensure live
> migration compatibility checks can be performed. There could also be a
> standard binary encoding for migration data. But the contents will be
> implementation-specific for some devices.
Can we at least put those implementation-specific states into some kind
of structured, standardized form? E.g. something like
<type category: file system backend data>
<type identifier: file system foo>
<length>
<data>
so that we can at least do compat checks for "I know how to handle foo"?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-20 10:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-06 4:33 [PATCH V2 0/2] Vitqueue State Synchronization Jason Wang
2021-07-06 4:33 ` [PATCH V2 1/2] virtio: introduce virtqueue state as basic facility Jason Wang
2021-07-06 9:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-06 17:09 ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-06 19:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-06 23:49 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07 2:50 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 12:03 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07 2:42 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 4:36 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 2:41 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 12:27 ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-07 3:29 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2021-07-06 4:33 ` [PATCH V2 2/2] virtio: introduce STOP status bit Jason Wang
2021-07-06 9:24 ` [virtio-comment] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-07-07 3:20 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-09 17:23 ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-10 20:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-12 4:00 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12 9:57 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 3:27 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 8:19 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-13 9:13 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 11:31 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-13 12:23 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 12:28 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-14 2:47 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14 6:20 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-14 8:53 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14 9:24 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-15 2:01 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 10:00 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 12:16 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14 9:53 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-14 10:29 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-14 15:07 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-14 16:22 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-15 1:38 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 9:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16 1:48 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 2:46 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 21:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-16 2:19 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 1:35 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 9:16 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16 1:44 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:18 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 2:50 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 10:31 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-07-21 2:59 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-15 10:01 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-16 2:03 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-16 3:53 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 3:04 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 8:50 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 10:48 ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2021-07-20 12:47 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21 2:29 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:20 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22 7:33 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-22 10:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22 13:08 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-26 15:07 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27 7:43 ` Max Reitz
2021-08-03 6:33 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03 10:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-03 11:42 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03 12:22 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-04 1:42 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-04 9:07 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-05 6:38 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-05 8:19 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-06 6:15 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-08 9:31 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-04 9:20 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-05 6:45 ` Jason Wang
2021-08-04 8:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-04 8:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-05 6:35 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-19 12:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 3:02 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-20 10:19 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21 2:52 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:42 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-22 2:08 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-22 10:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 12:27 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-20 12:57 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-20 13:09 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-21 3:06 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 10:48 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-21 11:37 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-21 3:09 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-21 11:43 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-22 2:01 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12 3:53 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 12:50 ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-06 13:18 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 14:27 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-07 0:05 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-07 3:14 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 2:56 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 16:45 ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-08 4:06 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-09 17:35 ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-07-12 4:06 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-10 20:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-12 4:04 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-12 10:12 ` [PATCH V2 0/2] Vitqueue State Synchronization Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 3:08 ` Jason Wang
2021-07-13 10:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-13 11:56 ` Jason Wang
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