From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
Cc: "jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>, Oren Duer <oren@nvidia.com>,
Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
"aadam@redhat.com" <aadam@redhat.com>,
"virtio@lists.oasis-open.org" <virtio@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v5 2/7] Introduce admin command set
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:08:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zgjgfp46.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB5481DD681A0172899E09BC6CDCCF9@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
On Mon, May 16 2022, Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
>> From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 11:24 AM
>
> [..]
>
>> > +\subsection{VIRTIO ADMIN DEVICE CAPS ACCEPT
>> command}\label{sec:Basic
>> > +Facilities of a Virtio Device / Admin command set / VIRTIO ADMIN
>> > +DEVICE CAPS ACCEPT command}
>> > +
>> > +The VIRTIO_ADMIN_DEVICE_CAPS_ACCEPT command is used by the
>> driver to acknowledge those admin capabilities it understands and wishes to
>> use.
>>
>>
>> ok so we have a protocol here, kind of like feature negotiation. Please write
>> its description.
>> e.g. is it ok to change accepted caps? when? can device change its caps etc
>> etc etc.
>>
>> Avoiding this kind of spec work is exactly why me and jason keep telling you
>> to consider just using features instead. Add a 64 bit admin features field to
>> the PCI transport and be done with it. CCW and MMIO already have feature
>> selector so it's trivial to add feature bits.
>>
> As we begin to scale with the device, adding more and more registers like this demands more on-device real estate to comply to the PCI standards.
>
> And therefore, things are queried/accessed rare or occasionally, are better accessed via a queue interface.
>
> One can argue that admin VQ is proposed only for the mgmt. functions so having this cfg register for PF is enough.
>
> However, AQ may find some usage in the VF/SF themselves down the road.
> Hence, keeping the cap exchange transport this way is more optimal.
>
> Max has called out this AQ rationale in 4 or 5 points in the cover letter.
I'm not against using a queue, but why not use feature bits for
capabilities? As Michael said, the infrastructure for that is already in
place.
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Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-26 22:58 [PATCH v5 0/7] Introduce device group and device management Max Gurtovoy
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v5 1/7] Introduce device group Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 13:14 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 13:32 ` Cornelia Huck
2022-06-01 13:43 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-02 2:21 ` Jason Wang
2022-06-02 6:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-27 21:52 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-28 18:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 11:25 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-06 11:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 12:01 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-06 12:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 15:18 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 2/7] Introduce admin command set Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-16 21:08 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-05-17 10:08 ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2022-05-18 13:42 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-17 11:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 14:09 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 14:42 ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-05-18 14:48 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-31 20:39 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-20 9:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 9:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 9:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 11:06 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-20 16:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 16:54 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-20 17:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 17:19 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-20 20:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 23:54 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-20 17:16 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-23 1:26 ` Jason Wang
2022-06-23 2:07 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-23 2:41 ` Jason Wang
2022-06-23 2:57 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-23 3:34 ` Jason Wang
2022-06-28 14:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-29 8:43 ` Jason Wang
2022-06-29 9:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-30 1:53 ` Jason Wang
2022-05-18 13:39 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 13:50 ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-05-18 14:16 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-20 22:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 21:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 3/7] Introduce new destination type for admin commands Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 14:27 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-16 21:21 ` Parav Pandit
2022-05-16 23:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 14:36 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 14:34 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 23:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 4/7] Introduce virtio admin virtqueue Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 14:37 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 23:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 5/7] Add miscellaneous configuration structure for PCI Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-01 14:46 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-17 10:12 ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-05-18 14:42 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 23:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 6/7] Introduce MGMT admin commands Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-16 21:47 ` Parav Pandit
2022-05-17 12:31 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 15:14 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-17 2:28 ` Jason Wang
2022-05-18 15:27 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 16:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 23:10 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 15:03 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-20 9:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 7/7] RFC: add initial support for configuring feature bits Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 15:31 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 16:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 23:18 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v5 0/7] Introduce device group and device management Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 15:32 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-05 13:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-05 15:11 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-06 2:54 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2022-07-06 10:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 10:46 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-06 11:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 20:45 ` Parav Pandit
2022-07-24 21:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-24 21:25 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-24 23:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-25 2:53 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-25 7:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-30 13:21 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-31 15:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-02 17:40 ` Parav Pandit
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