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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
Cc: "jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>, Oren Duer <oren@nvidia.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	"aadam@redhat.com" <aadam@redhat.com>,
	"virtio@lists.oasis-open.org" <virtio@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v5 2/7] Introduce admin command set
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:08:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zgjgfp46.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB5481DD681A0172899E09BC6CDCCF9@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, May 16 2022, Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
>> From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 11:24 AM
>
> [..]
>
>> > +\subsection{VIRTIO ADMIN DEVICE CAPS ACCEPT
>> command}\label{sec:Basic
>> > +Facilities of a Virtio Device / Admin command set / VIRTIO ADMIN
>> > +DEVICE CAPS ACCEPT command}
>> > +
>> > +The VIRTIO_ADMIN_DEVICE_CAPS_ACCEPT command is used by the
>> driver to acknowledge those admin capabilities it understands and wishes to
>> use.
>> 
>> 
>> ok so we have a protocol here, kind of like feature negotiation. Please write
>> its description.
>> e.g. is it ok to change accepted caps? when? can device change its caps etc
>> etc etc.
>> 
>> Avoiding this kind of spec work is exactly why me and jason keep telling you
>> to consider just using features instead. Add a 64 bit admin features field to
>> the PCI transport and be done with it. CCW and MMIO already have feature
>> selector so it's trivial to add feature bits.
>> 
> As we begin to scale with the device, adding more and more registers like this demands more on-device real estate to comply to the PCI standards.
>
> And therefore, things are queried/accessed rare or occasionally, are better accessed via a queue interface.
>
> One can argue that admin VQ is proposed only for the mgmt. functions so having this cfg register for PF is enough.
>
> However, AQ may find some usage in the VF/SF themselves down the road.
> Hence, keeping the cap exchange transport this way is more optimal.
>
> Max has called out this AQ rationale in 4 or 5 points in the cover letter.

I'm not against using a queue, but why not use feature bits for
capabilities? As Michael said, the infrastructure for that is already in
place.


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-17 10:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-26 22:58 [PATCH v5 0/7] Introduce device group and device management Max Gurtovoy
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v5 1/7] Introduce device group Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:25   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 13:14     ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 13:32       ` Cornelia Huck
2022-06-01 13:43         ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-02  2:21           ` Jason Wang
2022-06-02  6:59             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-27 21:52               ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-28 18:54                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 11:25                   ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-06 11:42                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 12:01                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-06 12:23                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 15:18                           ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 2/7] Introduce admin command set Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:23   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-16 21:08     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-05-17 10:08       ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2022-05-18 13:42         ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-17 11:48       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 14:09         ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 14:42           ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-05-18 14:48             ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-31 20:39         ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-20  9:23           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20  9:49             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20  9:59           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 11:06             ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-20 16:46               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 16:54                 ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-20 17:04                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 17:19                     ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-20 20:53                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 23:54                         ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-20 17:16                 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-23  1:26               ` Jason Wang
2022-06-23  2:07                 ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-23  2:41                   ` Jason Wang
2022-06-23  2:57                     ` Parav Pandit
2022-06-23  3:34                       ` Jason Wang
2022-06-28 14:24                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-29  8:43                           ` Jason Wang
2022-06-29  9:02                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-30  1:53                               ` Jason Wang
2022-05-18 13:39     ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 13:50       ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-05-18 14:16         ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-20 22:26           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-20 21:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 3/7] Introduce new destination type for admin commands Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:01   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 14:27     ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:09   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-16 21:21     ` Parav Pandit
2022-05-16 23:33       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 14:36         ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 14:34     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 23:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 4/7] Introduce virtio admin virtqueue Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:59   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 14:37     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 23:56       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 5/7] Add miscellaneous configuration structure for PCI Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:49   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-01 14:46     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:57   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-17 10:12     ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-05-18 14:42       ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 23:58         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 6/7] Introduce MGMT admin commands Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:37   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-16 21:47     ` Parav Pandit
2022-05-17 12:31       ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 15:14         ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-17  2:28     ` Jason Wang
2022-05-18 15:27       ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 16:41         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 23:10           ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 15:03     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-06-20  9:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-26 22:58 ` [PATCH v5 7/7] RFC: add initial support for configuring feature bits Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 14:38   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 15:31     ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-18 16:34       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 23:18         ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v5 0/7] Introduce device group and device management Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-05-18 15:32   ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-07-05 13:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-05 15:11   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-06  2:54     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2022-07-06 10:10       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 10:46       ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-06 11:00     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-06 20:45       ` Parav Pandit
2022-07-24 21:09         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-24 21:25           ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-24 23:41             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-25  2:53               ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-25  7:44                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-30 13:21                   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2022-07-31 15:38                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-02 17:40                       ` Parav Pandit

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