From: Babis Chalios <bchalios@amazon.es>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: <virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
"Cali, Marco" <xmarcalx@amazon.co.uk>, "Graf (AWS),
Alexander" <graf@amazon.de>,
"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>, <aams@amazon.de>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH RFC 3/3] rng: leak detection support
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:02:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a22ba2cb-9b03-481a-b66e-0b78fbfb21f0@amazon.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230918091506-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On 18/9/23 15:58, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 03:00:43PM +0200, Babis Chalios wrote:
>>>> Right, so I think that there is a race condition between the time the driver
>>>> sees the used buffers of the first
>>>> batch and until it adds the second batch on the next leak queue.
>>>>
>>>> 1. driver adds batch 1
>>>> 2. leak event
>>>> 3. device uses batch 1
>>>> 4. driver sees the used buffers and
>>>> a. switches leak queues
>>>> b. adds batch 2.
>>>> 5. devices finds initial leak queue empty and sees buffers in second leak
>>>> queue.
>>>>
>>>> If a second leak event happens after step 3 above and before all of steps 4
>>>> complete then batch 2 will not
>>>> be processed as part of the second leak event.
>>> driver can just pre-add buffers in the second queue.
>>>
>>> 1. available buffers to queue 1-X
>>> 2. available buffers to queue X
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. poll queue X
>>> 4. used buffers in queue X
>>> 5. avail buffers in queue X
>>> 6. poll queue 1-X
>>> 7. used buffers in queue X
>>> 8. avail buffers in queue X
>>> 9. goto 3
>>>
>> Yes, that's what the driver does now in the RFC patch. However, this just
>> decreases
>> the race window, it doesn't eliminate it. If a third leak event happens it
>> might not
>> find any buffers to use:
>>
>> 1. available buffers to queue 1-X
>> 2. available buffers to queue X
>>
>>
>> 3. poll queue X
>> 4. used buffers in queue X <- leak event 1 will use buffers in X
>> 5. avail buffers in queue X
>> 6. poll queue 1-X <- leak event 2 will use buffers in 1-X
>> 7. used buffers in queue 1-X
>> 8. avail buffers in queue 1-X
>> <- leak event 3 (it needs buffers in X, race with step 5)
>> 9. goto 3
>
> I don't get it. we added buffers in step 5.
What if the leak event 3 arrives before step 5 had time to actually add
the buffers in X and make
them visible to the device?
>
>>
>> If, instead, we define a single leak queue and require that VMM should refuse to take a snapshot
>> if that queue is empty, we avoid the race condition in all cases and IMHO the protocol becomes
>> much simpler.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Babis
>>
>
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Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-21 16:30 [virtio-comment] [PATCH RFC 0/3] virtio-rng based entropy leak reporting Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 16:30 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH RFC 1/3] rng: move to a file of its own Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 16:30 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH RFC 2/3] rng: be specific about the virtqueue Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 16:30 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH RFC 3/3] rng: leak detection support Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-25 12:41 ` [virtio-dev] " Babis Chalios
2022-12-12 10:10 ` Babis Chalios
2023-01-11 13:57 ` Babis Chalios
2023-08-31 10:16 ` [virtio-dev] " Babis Chalios
2023-09-12 21:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-13 9:32 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-13 9:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-13 11:19 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-18 11:14 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-18 12:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-18 13:00 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-18 13:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-18 14:02 ` Babis Chalios [this message]
2023-09-18 14:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-18 16:30 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-19 7:32 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-19 10:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-19 10:11 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-22 12:30 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-22 15:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 15:40 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-22 16:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 10:43 ` Babis Chalios
2023-09-27 21:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-28 18:16 ` Babis Chalios
2023-10-13 7:49 ` Babis Chalios
2023-10-13 13:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-02 11:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-02 11:38 ` Babis Chalios
2023-11-02 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-02 13:42 ` Babis Chalios
2023-11-02 11:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-02 11:51 ` Babis Chalios
2023-01-12 7:02 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH RFC 0/3] virtio-rng based entropy leak reporting Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-01-16 11:39 ` Babis Chalios
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2023-01-16 18:11 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
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