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From: Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	Bryan Tan <bryan-bt.tan@broadcom.com>,
	Vishnu Dasa <vishnu.dasa@broadcom.com>,
	Broadcom internal kernel review list
	<bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com>,
	<virtualization@lists.linux.dev>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	<eperezma@redhat.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	<nh-open-source@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vsock: Enable H2G override
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2026 07:51:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <079fcb93-cd01-45db-9ff7-d6cafd8fb7d5@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260302145121-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>


On 02.03.26 20:52, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 02, 2026 at 04:48:33PM +0100, Alexander Graf wrote:
>> On 02.03.26 13:06, Stefano Garzarella wrote:
>>> CCing Bryan, Vishnu, and Broadcom list.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2026 at 12:47:05PM +0100, Stefano Garzarella wrote:
>>>> Please target net-next tree for this new feature.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2026 at 10:41:38AM +0000, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>>> Vsock maintains a single CID number space which can be used to
>>>>> communicate to the host (G2H) or to a child-VM (H2G). The current logic
>>>>> trivially assumes that G2H is only relevant for CID <= 2 because these
>>>>> target the hypervisor.  However, in environments like Nitro
>>>>> Enclaves, an
>>>>> instance that hosts vhost_vsock powered VMs may still want to
>>>>> communicate
>>>>> to Enclaves that are reachable at higher CIDs through virtio-vsock-pci.
>>>>>
>>>>> That means that for CID > 2, we really want an overlay. By default, all
>>>>> CIDs are owned by the hypervisor. But if vhost registers a CID,
>>>>> it takes
>>>>> precedence.  Implement that logic. Vhost already knows which CIDs it
>>>>> supports anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this logic, I can run a Nitro Enclave as well as a nested VM with
>>>>> vhost-vsock support in parallel, with the parent instance able to
>>>>> communicate to both simultaneously.
>>>> I honestly don't understand why VMADDR_FLAG_TO_HOST (added
>>>> specifically for Nitro IIRC) isn't enough for this scenario and we
>>>> have to add this change.  Can you elaborate a bit more about the
>>>> relationship between this change and VMADDR_FLAG_TO_HOST we added?
>>
>> The main problem I have with VMADDR_FLAG_TO_HOST for connect() is that it
>> punts the complexity to the user. Instead of a single CID address space, you
>> now effectively create 2 spaces: One for TO_HOST (needs a flag) and one for
>> TO_GUEST (no flag). But every user space tool needs to learn about this
>> flag. That may work for super special-case applications. But propagating
>> that all the way into socat, iperf, etc etc? It's just creating friction.
>>
>> IMHO the most natural experience is to have a single CID space, potentially
>> manually segmented by launching VMs of one kind within a certain range.
>>
>> At the end of the day, the host vs guest problem is super similar to a
>> routing table.
> If this is what's desired, some bits could be stolen from the CID
> to specify the destination type. Would that address the issue?
> Just a thought.


If we had thought of this from the beginning, yes. But now that everyone 
thinks CID (guest) == CID (host), I believe this is no longer feasible.


Alex




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  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-03  6:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-02 10:41 [PATCH] vsock: Enable H2G override Alexander Graf
2026-03-02 11:47 ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-03-02 12:06   ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-03-02 15:48     ` Alexander Graf
2026-03-02 16:25       ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-03-02 19:04         ` Alexander Graf
2026-03-03  9:49           ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-03-03 14:17             ` Bryan Tan
2026-03-03 20:47               ` Alexander Graf
2026-03-03 20:52                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-03-03 21:05                   ` Alexander Graf
2026-03-02 19:52       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-03-03  6:51         ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2026-03-03  7:19           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-03-03  9:57             ` Stefano Garzarella

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