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From: Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	"virtualization@lists.osdl.org" <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Paravirtualization on VMware's Platform [VMI].
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:30:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1253647845.10565.20.camel@ank32.eng.vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090920074247.GA5733@elte.hu>

Hi Ingo,

On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 00:42 -0700, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> 
> The thing is, the overwhelming majority of vmware users dont benefit 
> from hardware features like nested page tables yet. So this needs to be 
> done _way_ more carefully, with a proper sunset period of a couple of 
> kernel cycles.

I am fine with that too. Below is a patch which adds notes in
feature-removal-schedule.txt, I have marked it for removal from 2.6.34.
Please consider this patch for 2.6.32.

> If we were able to rip out all (or most) of paravirt from arch/x86 it 
> would be tempting for other technical reasons - but the patch above is 
> well localized.

We can certainly look at removing some paravirt-hooks which are only
used by VMI. Not sure if there are any but will take a look when we
actually remove VMI.

Thanks,
Alok

--

Mark VMI for deprecation in feature-removal-schedule.txt.

From: Alok N Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>

Add text in feature-removal.txt and also modify Kconfig to disable
vmi by default.
Patch on top of tip/master.

Details about VMware's plan about retiring VMI  can be found here
http://blogs.vmware.com/guestosguide/2009/09/vmi-retirement.html

---

 Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt |   24 ++++++++++++++++++++++++
 arch/x86/Kconfig                           |    8 +++++---
 2 files changed, 29 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)


diff --git a/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt b/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt
index fa75220..b985328 100644
--- a/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt
+++ b/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt
@@ -459,3 +459,27 @@ Why:	OSS sound_core grabs all legacy minors (0-255) of SOUND_MAJOR
 	will also allow making ALSA OSS emulation independent of
 	sound_core.  The dependency will be broken then too.
 Who:	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
+
+----------------------------
+
+What:	Support for VMware's guest paravirtuliazation technique [VMI] will be
+	dropped.
+When:	2.6.34
+Why:	With the recent innovations in CPU hardware acceleration technologies
+	from Intel and AMD, VMware ran a few experiments to compare these
+	techniques to guest paravirtulization technique on VMware's platform.
+	These hardware assisted virtualization techniques have outperformed the
+	performance benefits provided by VMI in most of the workloads. VMware
+	expects that these hardware features will be ubiquitous in a couple of
+	years, as a result, VMware has started a phased retirement of this
+	feature from the hypervisor. We will be removing this feature from the
+	Kernel too, in a couple of releases.
+	Please note that VMI has always been an optimization and non-VMI kernels
+	still work fine on VMware's platform.
+
+	For more details about VMI retirement take a look at this,
+	http://blogs.vmware.com/guestosguide/2009/09/vmi-retirement.html
+
+Who:	Alok N Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>
+
+----------------------------
diff --git a/arch/x86/Kconfig b/arch/x86/Kconfig
index e214f45..1f3e156 100644
--- a/arch/x86/Kconfig
+++ b/arch/x86/Kconfig
@@ -485,14 +485,16 @@ if PARAVIRT_GUEST
 source "arch/x86/xen/Kconfig"
 
 config VMI
-	bool "VMI Guest support"
-	select PARAVIRT
-	depends on X86_32
+	bool "VMI Guest support [will be deprecated soon]"
+	default n
+	depends on X86_32 && PARAVIRT
 	---help---
 	  VMI provides a paravirtualized interface to the VMware ESX server
 	  (it could be used by other hypervisors in theory too, but is not
 	  at the moment), by linking the kernel to a GPL-ed ROM module
 	  provided by the hypervisor.
+	  VMware has started a phased retirement of this feature from there
+	  products. Please see feature-removal-schedule.txt for details.
 
 config KVM_CLOCK
 	bool "KVM paravirtualized clock"

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-09-22 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-18  0:17 Paravirtualization on VMware's Platform [VMI] Alok Kataria
2009-09-18  0:34 ` Chris Wright
2009-09-18  0:53   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-09-18  0:58     ` Chris Wright
2009-09-18  1:43       ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-19  7:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-19 22:44 ` Greg KH
2009-09-20  1:04   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-09-20  3:56   ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-20  3:59   ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-20  7:42     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-20  7:52       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-20  9:00         ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-20 15:49           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-09-20 19:00             ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22  8:09             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-22 16:52               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-09-22 18:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-22 18:16                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-09-22 19:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-22 19:30                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-09-22  7:22           ` Rusty Russell
2009-09-22 16:53             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-09-22 19:30       ` Alok Kataria [this message]
2009-09-22 19:47         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-09-22 21:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-09-22 21:54           ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-22 22:58             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-09-23  7:29         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-09-29  0:45           ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-29  2:25             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-09-29  3:00               ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-29  9:01                 ` Chris Wright
2009-09-29 17:25                   ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-29 17:27                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-09-29 17:36                       ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-29 18:21                     ` Chris Wright
2009-09-29  8:08             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-29 16:49               ` Alok Kataria
2009-09-29 16:51                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-09-29 17:55                 ` Learning question regarding virtio and partvirt_ops Hank Janssen
2009-09-29 19:02                   ` Brian Jackson
2009-10-02  3:00                 ` Paravirtualization on VMware's Platform [VMI] Eric W. Biederman
2009-10-02  4:45                   ` Alok Kataria

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