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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 7/11] virtio_pci: new, capability-aware driver.
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:56:39 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1326322599.23910.167.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120111221349.GD27292@redhat.com>

On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 00:13 +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:

> > Well, I would argue that the network driver world has proven countless
> > times that those are good ideas :-)
> 
> Below you seem to suggest that separate rings like
> virtio has now is better than a single ring like Rusty
> suggested.

I was merely pointing at examples. My understanding (but I may have
misparsed him) is that Rusty wants to collate the descriptors and the
"available" ring. I personally don't think the completions (the used
ring) should be merged, it should remain separate. If Rusty was hinting
at doing that then I disagree with him :-)

> Are you familiar with current virtio ring structure?  How is this
> different?

Vaguely yes :-) It does have this uni-directional model, I didn't
express myself very well or I got confused by the statements about a
single ring. Yes, I think we should keep the ring at least split into
two directions as it is today.

But we can certainly merge available ring and descriptors ring.

Another option is having the ring entry size be a configurable power of
two. This is trivial and comes at pretty much no cost. That would allow
virtio-net for example to do efficient things like putting the headers
as immediate data in the ring and the data as indirect.

This means a large part of the packet processing can happen without
touching additional cache lines.

Anyway, at this stage, I plan to sit down with Rusty next week and hash
out some kind of proposal, which we can experiment with & benchmark.

I'd suggest doing a simple user space app that creates such a ring,
forks, and produce / consume. We can then run that through perf and
analyze the cache behaviour, maximum throughput, etc....

Cheers,
Ben.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-01-11 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-08 10:22 [PATCH 0/11] RFC: PCI using capabilitities Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:30 ` [RFC 1/11] virtio: use u32, not bitmap for struct virtio_device's features Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:31 ` [RFC 2/11] virtio: add support for 64 bit features Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:32 ` [PATCH 0/11] RFC: PCI using capabilitities Sasha Levin
2011-12-08 10:32 ` [RFC 3/11] pci: add pci_iomap_range Rusty Russell
2011-12-15  8:30   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-16  1:56     ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:34 ` [RFC 4/11] virtio-pci: define layout for virtio vendor-specific capabilities Rusty Russell
2011-12-10 21:14   ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-08 10:35 ` [RFC 6/11] virtio_pci: move old defines to legacy, introduce new structure Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:38 ` [RFC 6/11] virtio_pci: don't use the legacy driver if we find the new PCI capabilities Rusty Russell
2011-12-10 21:18   ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11  5:15     ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-11  9:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-08 10:39 ` [RFC 7/11] virtio_pci: new, capability-aware driver Rusty Russell
2011-12-11  9:42   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-11 22:45     ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-12 11:49       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-12 18:10         ` Don Dutile
2011-12-16  1:58           ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-28  7:56         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29  1:17           ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-29 10:21             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30  2:17               ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-12 18:25       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-13  2:21         ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-15  8:27           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-16  1:50             ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-18 10:18               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-19  6:06                 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-19  9:13                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-19 11:08                     ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-20 11:37                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-21  0:33                         ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-21  9:19                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-10 17:03                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11  0:25                             ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-11  1:48                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11  8:47                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-11  9:10                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 14:28                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-11 15:39                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 17:21                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-11 18:34                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 20:56                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 20:46                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 10:37                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-11 10:21                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 21:13                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 22:13                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 22:19                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 22:56                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2012-01-12  5:29                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-12  6:13                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12  6:37                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-12  2:01                                 ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-12  4:31                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12  6:09                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-12  6:28                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12  6:51                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-12  7:03                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12  6:00                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-13  3:22                                     ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-11 13:30                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 15:12                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 15:15                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 15:21                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 15:28                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 15:45                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 16:02                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 17:08                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 19:42                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 20:14                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 20:26                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 21:02                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 22:02                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 22:16                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12  1:42                                                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-13  2:19                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-13  2:32                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-18 15:29                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-22 22:53                                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-18  4:52                                                             ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-11 21:58                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 20:59                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 20:51                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 20:50                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12  1:35                                 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:40 ` [RFC 8/11] virtio_pci: share structure between legacy and modern Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:41 ` [RFC 9/11] virtio_pci: share interrupt/notify handlers " Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:42 ` [RFC 10/11] virtio_pci: share virtqueue setup/teardown between modern and legacy driver Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:44 ` [RFC 11/11] virtio_pci: simplify common helpers Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 15:37 ` [PATCH 0/11] RFC: PCI using capabilitities Sasha Levin
     [not found] ` <1323358657.32487.9.camel@lappy>
2011-12-09  6:17   ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-10 21:32     ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11  9:05   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-11 10:03     ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11 12:30       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-11 12:48         ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11 12:47   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-11 12:53     ` Sasha Levin

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