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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: virtualization <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Xen & VMI?
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:18:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070306171813.GA21218@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45ED99F8.9060705@goop.org>


* Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org> wrote:

> > My suggestion would be for Linux to make only a /single/ external 
> > ABI promise: VMI. (and we can extend it with higher-level paravirt 
> > ops, etc.)
> 
> "VMI" is not a promise, it's just three letters.  It doesn't even mean 
> the same thing now as it did 12 months ago.  Turning "VMI" from three 
> letters into anything remotely like a promise is a huge amount of work 
> which requires:
> 
>    1. someone actually sit down and fully document what all those
>       entrypoints are going to do
>    2. everyone to implement them
>    3. someone to test that all the implementations conform to the
>       document (bearing in mind that if anyone is going to go to all
>       this effort, they're going to use this with non-Linux guests)
>    4. and repeat all that every subsequent update

There's no process needed. The only thing needed is to treat the Linux 
implementation as the reference design, documentation and specification. 
Treat it as we treat the Linux system calls. We promise not to change 
them. There's no "process" for that either, other than our promise, our 
taste and our best efforts - plus the backing of all distributions and 
the threat of a few million users who start yelling (or worse) if we 
break it ;)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-06 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070305120631.GA14105@elte.hu>
2007-03-05 13:28 ` [patch] paravirt: VDSO page is essential Rusty Russell
2007-03-05 13:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 14:34   ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-05 13:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 20:11     ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-05 20:16       ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-05 20:33         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-05 20:19       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 20:42         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  0:57   ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-06  1:03     ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  1:11       ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-06  1:14       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  1:51         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  1:53           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  8:19             ` Xen & VMI? Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  8:37               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06  8:48                 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  8:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  9:03                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  9:10                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  9:15                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06  9:34                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 10:15                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06 10:26                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 11:04                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06 11:59                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 12:34                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06 15:03                               ` Anthony Liguori
2007-03-06 17:17                                 ` Nakajima, Jun
2007-03-06 17:32                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-03-06 20:37                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 21:02                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 21:11                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 21:13                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 21:20                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 21:46                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 21:35                                     ` Nakajima, Jun
2007-03-07  0:44                                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-07  0:54                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-03-07  3:06                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07  8:15                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07  9:17                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 11:15                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 19:14                                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 16:27                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 17:11                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 17:33                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07  2:16                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  9:55                     ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-06 10:23                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06 10:31                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 19:46                   ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 20:30                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 20:53                       ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 21:03                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 21:28                           ` Chris Wright
2007-03-07  2:35                             ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  9:07               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  9:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 16:42                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 17:18                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-03-06 18:04                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  7:35         ` [patch] paravirt: VDSO page is essential Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  7:42           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  7:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 18:48             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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