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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	lf-virt <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	target-devel <target-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Zhi Yong Wu <wuzhy@cn.ibm.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC-v2 0/4] tcm_vhost+cmwq fabric driver code for-3.6
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:00:15 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120718160015.GH1777@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120718155338.GA21817@infradead.org>

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:53:38AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 08:42:21AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > 
> > If you add support for a new command, you need to provide userspace
> > a way to disable this command.  If you change what gets reported for
> > VPD, you need to provide userspace a way to make VPD look like what
> > it did in a previous version.
> > 
> > Basically, you need to be able to make a TCM device behave 100% the
> > same as it did in an older version of the kernel.
> > 
> > This is unique to virtualization due to live migration.  If you
> > migrate from a 3.6 kernel to a 3.8 kernel, you need to make sure
> > that the 3.8 kernel's TCM device behaves exactly like the 3.6 kernel
> > because the guest that is interacting with it does not realize that
> > live migration happened.
> 
> I don't think these strict live migration rules apply to SCSI targets.
> 
> Real life storage systems get new features and different behaviour with
> firmware upgrades all the time, and SCSI initiators deal with that just
> fine.
>  I don't see any reason to be more picky just because we're
> virtualized.


Presumably initiators are shut down for target firmware upgrades?
With virtualization your host can change without guest shutdown.
You can also *lose* commands when migrating to an older host.

-- 
MST

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-07-18 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-11 21:15 [RFC-v2 0/4] tcm_vhost+cmwq fabric driver code for-3.6 Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-11 21:15 ` [RFC-v2 1/4] vhost: Separate vhost-net features from vhost features Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-11 21:15 ` [RFC-v2 2/4] vhost: make vhost work queue visible Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-11 21:15 ` [RFC-v2 3/4] vhost: Add vhost_scsi specific defines Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-11 21:15 ` [RFC-v2 4/4] tcm_vhost: Initial merge for vhost level target fabric driver Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-17 15:05 ` [RFC-v2 0/4] tcm_vhost+cmwq fabric driver code for-3.6 Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 18:55   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-07-17 19:00     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 21:50     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-18 13:42       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]       ` <5006BD3D.7090104@us.ibm.com>
2012-07-18 13:56         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-18 15:33         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 15:53         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20120718155338.GA21817@infradead.org>
2012-07-18 16:00           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2012-07-18 16:42             ` Rustad, Mark D
     [not found]             ` <4872F2B9-F952-48C9-9724-D30239ACD989@intel.com>
2012-07-18 17:17               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 20:12                 ` Rustad, Mark D
2012-07-18 16:00           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]           ` <5006DDAA.6080304@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]             ` <1342630038.3022.111.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>
2012-07-18 19:12               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]               ` <50070A8D.7020203@us.ibm.com>
2012-07-19  6:00                 ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]                 ` <5007A28C.602@redhat.com>
     [not found]                   ` <1342682881.3059.3.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>
2012-07-19  7:30                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-18 22:45         ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-17 21:17   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
     [not found]   ` <1342559842.18004.440.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org>
2012-07-17 21:34     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 22:02       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
     [not found]       ` <1342562528.18004.480.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org>
2012-07-17 22:18         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <20120717221814.GH1868@redhat.com>
2012-07-17 22:37           ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-17 23:11             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18  0:17               ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-07-17 21:58     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 22:04       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger

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