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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	devel@linuxdriverproject.org, Matt Rickard <matt@softrans.com.au>
Subject: Re: [patch 09/11] x86/vdso: Simplify the invalid vclock case
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:48:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180918124800.GL24106@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809181237140.4167@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:41:57PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > Your memory serves you right. That's indeed observable on CPUs which
> > > > > lack TSC_ADJUST.
> > > > 
> > > > But, if the gtod code can observe this, then why doesn't the code that
> > > > checks the sync?
> > > 
> > > Because it depends where the involved CPUs are in the topology. The sync
> > > code might just run on the same package an simply not see it. Yes, w/o
> > > TSC_ADJUST the TSC sync code can just fail to see the havoc.
> > 
> > Even with TSC adjust the TSC can be slightly off by design on multi-socket
> > systems.
> 
> Here are the gory details:
> 
>    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/3c1737210708230408i7a8049a9m5db49e6c4d89ab62@mail.gmail.com/
> 
> The changelog has an explanation as well.
> 
>     d8bb6f4c1670 ("x86: tsc prevent time going backwards")
> 
> I still have one of the machines which is affected by this.

Are we sure this isn't a load vs rdtsc reorder? Because if I look at the
current code:

notrace static u64 vread_tsc(void)
{
	u64 ret = (u64)rdtsc_ordered();
	u64 last = gtod->cycle_last;

	if (likely(ret >= last))
		return ret;

	/*
	 * GCC likes to generate cmov here, but this branch is extremely
	 * predictable (it's just a function of time and the likely is
	 * very likely) and there's a data dependence, so force GCC
	 * to generate a branch instead.  I don't barrier() because
	 * we don't actually need a barrier, and if this function
	 * ever gets inlined it will generate worse code.
	 */
	asm volatile ("");
	return last;
}

That does:

	lfence
	rdtsc
	load gtod->cycle_last

Which obviously allows us to observe a cycles_last that is later than
the rdtsc itself, and thus time can trivially go backwards.

The new code:

		last = gtod->cycle_last;
		cycles = vgetcyc(gtod->vclock_mode);
		if (unlikely((s64)cycles < 0))
			return vdso_fallback_gettime(clk, ts);
		if (cycles > last)
			ns += (cycles - last) * gtod->mult;

looks like:

	load gtod->cycle_last
	lfence
	rdtsc

which avoids that possibility, the cycle_last load must have completed
before the rdtsc.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-18 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20180914125006.349747096@linutronix.de>
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 01/11] clocksource: Provide clocksource_arch_init() Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 02/11] x86/time: Implement clocksource_arch_init() Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 03/11] x86/vdso: Enforce 64bit clocksource Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 04/11] x86/vdso: Use unsigned int consistently for vsyscall_gtod_data::seq Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 05/11] x86/vdso: Introduce and use vgtod_ts Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 06/11] x86/vdso: Collapse high resolution functions Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 07/11] x86/vdso: Collapse coarse functions Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 08/11] x86/vdso: Replace the clockid switch case Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 09/11] x86/vdso: Simplify the invalid vclock case Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 10/11] x86/vdso: Move cycle_last handling into the caller Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 11/11] x66/vdso: Add CLOCK_TAI support Thomas Gleixner
     [not found] ` <2f723b28-8f81-4b02-861c-42f756a8825a@redhat.com>
2018-09-14 13:05   ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and " Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 13:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809141459530.10480@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
     [not found]     ` <63a0f67d-fdb1-e2fc-5d4d-4f3cfbf86fd1@redhat.com>
2018-09-14 13:19       ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found] ` <20180914125119.081037164@linutronix.de>
2018-09-14 14:04   ` [patch 11/11] x66/vdso: Add " Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]   ` <ABB53D42-2A06-41B9-8A8C-40B39CD0289D@amacapital.net>
2018-09-14 14:27     ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809141625040.10480@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-14 14:59       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]       ` <FAE37798-8CCE-44A5-9EF0-F69C2199BE60@amacapital.net>
2018-09-16  9:39         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 14:22 ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and " Arnd Bergmann
     [not found] ` <20180914125118.998589817@linutronix.de>
2018-09-14 15:26   ` [patch 10/11] x86/vdso: Move cycle_last handling into the caller Vitaly Kuznetsov
     [not found] ` <20180914125118.293161327@linutronix.de>
2018-09-14 15:45   ` [patch 02/11] x86/time: Implement clocksource_arch_init() Vitaly Kuznetsov
     [not found]   ` <87zhwk6q2l.fsf@vitty.brq.redhat.com>
2018-09-15  6:05     ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found] ` <CAK8P3a1QfynDxkKBLXVa5Qj_z+7ct3QB5sDYuY5QV3ht-a0cTg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-17 13:00   ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and CLOCK_TAI support Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]   ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809171451380.16580@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-24 21:08     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found] ` <20180914125118.909646643@linutronix.de>
2018-09-17 19:25   ` [patch 09/11] x86/vdso: Simplify the invalid vclock case Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <CALAqxLUv9Rd_eA7u9gZNFvTNrT1Z67RpHLozdeNC0W2yZm=Heg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-18  7:52       ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]       ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809180948570.3558@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-18  8:30         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-18  8:52           ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]           ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809181050020.4167@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-18 10:06             ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]             ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809181204460.4167@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-18 10:41               ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]               ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809181237140.4167@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-18 12:48                 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-09-18 13:23                   ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809181515170.6950@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-18 13:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-18 15:52                     ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809181731570.7302@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-27 14:41                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-18 14:01         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <863331ED-B04A-4B94-91A2-D34002C9CCDC@amacapital.net>
2018-09-18 22:46           ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]           ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809190037570.1468@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-18 23:03             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <439A3E73-E4FF-4D66-800E-5BEE58EDE8F6@amacapital.net>
2018-09-18 23:16               ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]               ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809190112020.1468@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-27 14:36                 ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809271630470.8118@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-09-27 14:39                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <06e91c26-756f-f236-0af2-327e520c3065@rasmusvillemoes.dk>
2018-09-19 13:29               ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-03  5:15 ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and CLOCK_TAI support Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-03  9:22   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
     [not found]   ` <87sh1ne64t.fsf@vitty.brq.redhat.com>
2018-10-03 10:20     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-03 12:01       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
     [not found]       ` <87murvdysd.fsf@vitty.brq.redhat.com>
2018-10-03 14:20         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <8C316427-8BEC-4979-8AB2-5E385066BB6F@amacapital.net>
2018-10-03 15:10           ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]           ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1810031704480.23677@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2018-10-03 16:18             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-03 19:06     ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]     ` <20181003190617.GC21381@amt.cnet>
2018-10-04  7:54       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
     [not found]       ` <87k1mycfju.fsf@vitty.brq.redhat.com>
2018-10-04  8:11         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04 12:00         ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]         ` <20181004081100.GI19272@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
2018-10-04 14:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]           ` <B8C05946-43BB-40A4-A564-53904FAF8CC0@amacapital.net>
2018-10-04 19:31             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]             ` <20181004193150.GQ19272@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
2018-10-04 20:05               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]               ` <499807AB-E779-40C3-AA3F-E8C77A7770EC@amacapital.net>
2018-10-04 22:15                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-06 20:27                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-06 22:28                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                     ` <CALCETrWqze2mifOdFc0GJYHtHGKiKX2Zdi5Kz87OyUogbqD15w@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-08 15:26                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]                       ` <20181008152650.GB27822@amt.cnet>
2018-10-08 17:38                         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                         ` <CALCETrVY6VHPLs0GXZM4+VYraTa1+xs=iRJoRa++OHX9Wq+ieg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-08 19:36                           ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]                           ` <20181008193632.GA31729@amt.cnet>
2018-10-09 20:09                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                             ` <CALCETrW6b8=dU6vkXNS-rW1GPzJTbVxuVNsU4aoD_NwwobVQcg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-11 22:27                               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-11 23:00                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-15 13:39                                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-06 20:49                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]         ` <1832e2af-3189-cb50-f4b6-45e74cdcf4b4@redhat.com>
2018-10-04 14:04           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 21:18         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-03 19:00   ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]   ` <20181003190026.GB21381@amt.cnet>
2018-10-03 19:05     ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and CLOCK_TAI support\ Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-03 22:32     ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and CLOCK_TAI support Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:37       ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]       ` <20181004163705.GA25129@amt.cnet>
2018-10-04 17:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrWbWLM5Jjm7iJCE7S=BJ9OFw2QQGJ2Ao-qsuaN50z=y0A@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-04 17:28           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-10-04 20:32 ` Andy Lutomirski

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