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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Farhan Ali <alifm@linux.ibm.com>,
	Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Viktor Mihajlovski <mihajlov@linux.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/10] s390/cio: add basic protected virtualization support
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 12:21:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190520122143.259ff8df.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190518201100.0fd07d7f.pasic@linux.ibm.com>

On Sat, 18 May 2019 20:11:00 +0200
Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:29:28 +0200
> Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 15 May 2019 22:51:58 +0200
> > Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com> wrote:

> Don't like the second sentence. How about "It handles neither QDIO
> in the common code, nor any device type specific stuff (like channel
> programs constructed by the DADS driver)."

Sounds good to me (with s/DADS/DASD/ :)

> > > A side note: making the subchannel device 'own' the DMA stuff of a
> > > ccw device (something that was discussed in the RFC thread) is tricky
> > > because the ccw device may outlive the subchannel (all that orphan
> > > stuff).  
> > 
> > Yes, that's... eww. Not really a problem for virtio-ccw devices (which
> > do not support the disconnected state), but can we make DMA and the
> > subchannel moving play nice with each other at all?
> >   
> 
> I don't quite understand the question. This series does not have any
> problems with that AFAIU. Can you please clarify?

Wait, weren't you saying that there actually is a problem?

We seem to have the following situation:
- the device per se is represented by the ccw device
- the subchannel is the means of communication, and dma is tied to the
  (I/O ?) subchannel
- the machine check handling code may move a ccw device to a different
  subchannel, or even to a fake subchannel (orphanage handling)

The moving won't happen with virtio-ccw devices (as they do not support
the disconnected state, which is a prereq for being moved around), but
at a glance, this looks like it is worth some more thought.

- Are all (I/O) subchannels using e.g. the same dma size? (TBH, that
  question sounds a bit silly: that should be a property belonging to
  the ccw device, shouldn't it?)
- What dma properties does the fake subchannel have? (Probably none, as
  its only purpose is to serve as a parent for otherwise parentless
  disconnected ccw devices, and is therefore not involved in any I/O.)
- There needs to be some kind of handling in the machine check code, I
  guess? We would probably need a different allocation if we end up at
  a different subchannel?

I think we can assume that the dma size is at most 31 bits (since that
is what the common I/O layer needs); but can we also assume that it
will always be at least 31 bits?

My take on this is that we should be sure that we're not digging
ourselves a hole that will be hard to get out of again should we want to
support non-virtio-ccw in the future, not that the current
implementation is necessarily broken.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-20 10:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-26 18:32 [PATCH 00/10] s390: virtio: support protected virtualization Halil Pasic
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 01/10] virtio/s390: use vring_create_virtqueue Halil Pasic
     [not found]   ` <20190503111724.70c6ec37.cohuck@redhat.com>
2019-05-03 20:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-04 14:03       ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-05 11:15         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-07 13:58           ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-08 20:12             ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-10 14:07             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-12 16:47               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-13  9:52                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-13 12:27                   ` Michael Mueller
2019-05-13 12:29                     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 02/10] virtio/s390: DMA support for virtio-ccw Halil Pasic
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 03/10] virtio/s390: enable packed ring Halil Pasic
     [not found]   ` <20190503114450.2512b121.cohuck@redhat.com>
2019-05-05 15:13     ` Thomas Huth
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 04/10] s390/mm: force swiotlb for protected virtualization Halil Pasic
2019-04-26 19:27   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-29 13:59     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-29 14:05       ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-13 12:50         ` Michael Mueller
2019-05-08 13:15   ` Claudio Imbrenda
2019-05-09 22:34     ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-15 14:15       ` Michael Mueller
     [not found]   ` <ad23f5e7-dc78-04af-c892-47bbc65134c6@linux.ibm.com>
2019-05-09 18:05     ` Jason J. Herne
2019-05-10  7:49       ` Claudio Imbrenda
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 05/10] s390/cio: introduce DMA pools to cio Halil Pasic
2019-05-08 13:18   ` Sebastian Ott
2019-05-08 21:22     ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-09  8:40       ` Sebastian Ott
2019-05-09 10:11       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-09 22:11         ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-10 14:10           ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-12 18:22             ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-13 13:29               ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-15 17:12                 ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-16  6:13                   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-16 13:59               ` Sebastian Ott
2019-05-20 12:13                 ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-21  8:46                   ` Michael Mueller
2019-05-22 12:07                   ` Sebastian Ott
2019-05-22 22:12                     ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-23 15:17     ` Halil Pasic
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 06/10] s390/cio: add basic protected virtualization support Halil Pasic
2019-05-08 13:46   ` Sebastian Ott
2019-05-08 13:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-08 21:08     ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-09  8:52       ` Sebastian Ott
2019-05-08 14:23   ` Pierre Morel
2019-05-13  9:41   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14 14:47     ` Jason J. Herne
2019-05-15 21:08       ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-16  6:32         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-16 13:42           ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-16 13:54             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-15 20:51     ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-16  6:29       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-18 18:11         ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-20 10:21           ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2019-05-20 12:34             ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-20 13:43               ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 07/10] s390/airq: use DMA memory for adapter interrupts Halil Pasic
2019-05-08 13:58   ` Sebastian Ott
2019-05-09 11:37   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-13 12:59   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 08/10] virtio/s390: add indirection to indicators access Halil Pasic
2019-05-08 14:31   ` Pierre Morel
2019-05-09 12:01     ` Pierre Morel
2019-05-09 18:26       ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-10  7:43         ` Pierre Morel
2019-05-10 11:54           ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-10 15:36             ` Pierre Morel
2019-05-13 10:15               ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-16 15:24                 ` Pierre Morel
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 09/10] virtio/s390: use DMA memory for ccw I/O and classic notifiers Halil Pasic
2019-05-08 14:46   ` Pierre Morel
2019-05-09 13:30     ` Pierre Morel
2019-05-09 18:30       ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-13 13:54   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-26 18:32 ` [PATCH 10/10] virtio/s390: make airq summary indicators DMA Halil Pasic
2019-05-08 15:11   ` Pierre Morel
2019-05-15 13:33     ` Michael Mueller
2019-05-15 17:23       ` Halil Pasic
2019-05-13 12:20   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-15 13:43     ` Michael Mueller
2019-05-15 13:50       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-15 17:18       ` Halil Pasic
     [not found] ` <20190503115511.17a1f6d1.cohuck@redhat.com>
2019-05-03 13:33   ` [PATCH 00/10] s390: virtio: support protected virtualization Cornelia Huck
2019-05-04 13:58   ` Halil Pasic

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