From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Peter Zijlstra Subject: Re: Should SEV-ES #VC use IST? (Re: [PATCH] Allow RDTSC and RDTSCP from userspace) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:47:12 +0200 Message-ID: <20200623124712.GF4817@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20200425191032.GK21900@8bytes.org> <910AE5B4-4522-4133-99F7-64850181FBF9@amacapital.net> <20200425202316.GL21900@8bytes.org> <20200428075512.GP30814@suse.de> <20200623110706.GB4817@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200623113007.GH31822@suse.de> <8413fe52-04ee-f4e1-873c-17595110856a@citrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8413fe52-04ee-f4e1-873c-17595110856a@citrix.com> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: virtualization-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org Sender: "Virtualization" To: Andrew Cooper Cc: Juergen Gross , Tom Lendacky , Thomas Hellstrom , Joerg Roedel , Mike Stunes , Kees Cook , kvm list , Joerg Roedel , Dave Hansen , LKML , Sean Christopherson , Linux Virtualization , Dave Hansen , Andy Lutomirski , "H. Peter Anvin" , Dan Williams , Jiri Slaby , X86 ML List-Id: virtualization@lists.linuxfoundation.org On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:51:03PM +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote: > There are cases which are definitely non-recoverable. > > For both ES and SNP, a malicious hypervisor can mess with the guest > physmap to make the the NMI, #VC and #DF stacks all alias. > > For ES, this had better result in the #DF handler deciding that crashing > is the way out, whereas for SNP, this had better escalate to Shutdown. > Crashing out hard if the hypervisor is misbehaving is acceptable. Then I'm thinking the only sensible option is to crash hard for any SNP #VC from kernel mode. Sadly that doesn't help with #VC needing to be IST :-( IST is such a frigging nightmare.