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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Andra Paraschiv <andraprs@amazon.com>,
	Colin Ian King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	oxffffaa@gmail.com, Norbert Slusarek <nslusarek@gmx.net>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Arseny Krasnov <arseny.krasnov@kaspersky.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jorgen Hansen <jhansen@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] [RFC PATCH v1 1/1] virtio-vsock: add SOCK_SEQPACKET description
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 18:08:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210303180817.3b8731a9.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210303114831-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 11:52:43 -0500
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 01:08:43PM +0100, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:32:00 +0100
> > Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:08:23AM +0300, Arseny Krasnov wrote:  
> > > >Signed-off-by: Arseny Krasnov <arseny.krasnov@kaspersky.com>
> > > >---
> > > > virtio-vsock.tex | 40 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
> > > > 1 file changed, 37 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > > >
> > > >diff --git a/virtio-vsock.tex b/virtio-vsock.tex
> > > >index da7e641..1ee8f99 100644
> > > >--- a/virtio-vsock.tex
> > > >+++ b/virtio-vsock.tex
> > > >@@ -102,6 +102,11 @@ \subsection{Device Operation}\label{sec:Device Types / Socket Device / Device Op
> > > > 	VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_CREDIT_UPDATE = 6,
> > > > 	/* Request the peer to send the credit info to us */
> > > > 	VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_CREDIT_REQUEST = 7,
> > > >+
> > > >+	/* Message begin for SOCK_SEQPACKET */
> > > >+	VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_SEQ_BEGIN = 8,
> > > >+	/* Message end for SOCK_SEQPACKET */
> > > >+	VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_SEQ_END = 9,
> > > > };
> > > > \end{lstlisting}
> > > >
> > > >@@ -140,11 +145,11 @@ \subsubsection{Addressing}\label{sec:Device Types / Socket Device / Device Opera
> > > > consists of a (cid, port number) tuple. The header fields used for this are
> > > > \field{src_cid}, \field{src_port}, \field{dst_cid}, and \field{dst_port}.
> > > >
> > > >-Currently only stream sockets are supported. \field{type} is 1 for stream
> > > >-socket types.
> > > >+Currently stream and seqpacket sockets are supported. \field{type} is 1 for
> > > >+stream socket types. \field{type} is 2 for seqpacket socket types.
> > > >
> > > > Stream sockets provide in-order, guaranteed, connection-oriented delivery
> > > >-without message boundaries.
> > > >+without message boundaries. Seqpacket sockets also provide message boundaries.
> > > >
> > > > \subsubsection{Buffer Space Management}\label{sec:Device Types / Socket Device / Device Operation / Buffer Space Management}
> > > > \field{buf_alloc} and \field{fwd_cnt} are used for buffer space management of
> > > >@@ -240,6 +245,35 @@ \subsubsection{Stream Sockets}\label{sec:Device Types / Socket Device / Device O
> > > > destination) address tuple for a new connection while the other peer is still
> > > > processing the old connection.
> > > >
> > > >+\subsubsection{Seqpacket Sockets}\label{sec:Device Types / Socket Device / Device Operation / Seqpacket Sockets}
> > > >+
> > > >+Seqpacket sockets differ from stream sockets only in data transmission way: in
> > > >+stream sockets all data is sent using only VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_RW packets. In
> > > >+seqpacket sockets, to provide message boundaries, every sequence of
> > > >+VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_RW packets of each message is headed with    
> > >                                               ^
> > > Since this is a spec, I think we should use MUST when something must be 
> > > respected by the peer, for example here we can say "MUST be headed"
> > >   
> > > >+VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_SEQ_BEGIN and tailed with VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_SEQ_END packets.
> > > >+Both VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_SEQ_BEGIN and VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_SEQ_END packets carry    
> > >                                                                       ^
> > > Same here "MUST carry" and in the rest of the patch.  
> > 
> > Actually, MUST and friends are really for normative sections; I'd
> > advise to have a description of how this feature works and then some
> > device/driver normative clauses with MUST statements (like "the device
> > MUST reject <malformed packets>" or so).  
> 
> I agree we do want normative sections but please don't add MUST etc elsewhere.
> Also vague text saying "malformed" isn't all that helpful if it's a
> MUST. How does driver know for sure it's malformed? easy to miss
> some requirement.

Actually, I intended "<malformed packet>" to be a placeholder for a
precise description...

> Therefore easiest thing it just to do some copy-pasting.
> 
> E.g. You start with above and add a normative section saying:
> Driver MUST use XYZ in VIRTIO_VSOCK_OP_SEQ_END packets.
> 
> We typically don't specify behaviour when out of spec,
> if we should here then please make a separate chapter
> for this explaining the how and the why.
> 

I think it makes sense if we want to be concrete on what should happen
for out-of-spec operation (e.g. in cases where ignoring it is
preferable to actively rejecting it.)

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-03 17:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20210218060715.1075547-1-arseny.krasnov@kaspersky.com>
2021-02-22 10:16 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/1] virtio-vsock: introduce SEQPACKET description Stefano Garzarella
2021-03-16 13:50   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-16 14:08     ` Stefano Garzarella
     [not found] ` <20210218060827.1075863-1-arseny.krasnov@kaspersky.com>
2021-02-24  9:32   ` [virtio-comment] [RFC PATCH v1 1/1] virtio-vsock: add SOCK_SEQPACKET description Stefano Garzarella
2021-03-03 12:08     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-03-03 12:35       ` Stefano Garzarella
2021-03-03 16:52       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-03 17:08         ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2021-03-16 13:49   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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