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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Gautam Dawar <gautam.dawar@xilinx.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, davem <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] virtio-net: add cond_resched() to the command waiting loop
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 13:11:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221009160520-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c8cd9a2e-3480-6ca5-96fa-4b5bd2c1174a@redhat.com>

On Sun, Oct 09, 2022 at 01:58:53PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 在 2022/9/8 13:19, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
> > On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 10:21:45AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > 在 2022/9/7 15:46, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
> > > > On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 09:07:20AM +0200, Paolo Abeni wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2022-09-07 at 10:09 +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 6:56 PM Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2022-09-05 at 15:49 +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 3:15 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 05, 2022 at 12:53:41PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Adding cond_resched() to the command waiting loop for a better
> > > > > > > > > > co-operation with the scheduler. This allows to give CPU a breath to
> > > > > > > > > > run other task(workqueue) instead of busy looping when preemption is
> > > > > > > > > > not allowed.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > What's more important. This is a must for some vDPA parent to work
> > > > > > > > > > since control virtqueue is emulated via a workqueue for those parents.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Fixes: bda324fd037a ("vdpasim: control virtqueue support")
> > > > > > > > > That's a weird commit to fix. so it fixes the simulator?
> > > > > > > > Yes, since the simulator is using a workqueue to handle control virtueue.
> > > > > > > Uhmm... touching a driver for a simulator's sake looks a little weird.
> > > > > > Simulator is not the only one that is using a workqueue (but should be
> > > > > > the first).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I can see  that the mlx5 vDPA driver is using a workqueue as well (see
> > > > > > mlx5_vdpa_kick_vq()).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And in the case of VDUSE, it needs to wait for the response from the
> > > > > > userspace, this means cond_resched() is probably a must for the case
> > > > > > like UP.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Additionally, if the bug is vdpasim, I think it's better to try to
> > > > > > > solve it there, if possible.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Looking at vdpasim_net_work() and vdpasim_blk_work() it looks like
> > > > > > > neither needs a process context, so perhaps you could rework it to run
> > > > > > > the work_fn() directly from vdpasim_kick_vq(), at least for the control
> > > > > > > virtqueue?
> > > > > > It's possible (but require some rework on the simulator core). But
> > > > > > considering we have other similar use cases, it looks better to solve
> > > > > > it in the virtio-net driver.
> > > > > I see.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Additionally, this may have better behaviour when using for the buggy
> > > > > > hardware (e.g the control virtqueue takes too long to respond). We may
> > > > > > consider switching to use interrupt/sleep in the future (but not
> > > > > > suitable for -net).
> > > > > Agreed. Possibly a timeout could be useful, too.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Paolo
> > > > Hmm timeouts are kind of arbitrary.
> > > > regular drivers basically derive them from hardware
> > > > behaviour but with a generic driver like virtio it's harder.
> > > > I guess we could add timeout as a config field, have
> > > > device make a promise to the driver.
> > > > 
> > > > Making the wait interruptible seems more reasonable.
> > > 
> > > Yes, but I think we still need this patch for -net and -stable.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > I was referring to Paolo's idea of having a timeout.
> 
> 
> Ok, I think we're fine with this patch. Any chance to merge this or do I
> need to resend?
> 
> Thanks

Last question: do we want cpu_relax here now? Or is cond_resched
sufficient?

> 
> > 

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-10 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-05  4:53 [PATCH net] virtio-net: add cond_resched() to the command waiting loop Jason Wang
2022-09-05  7:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-05  7:49   ` Jason Wang
2022-09-06 10:55     ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-07  2:09       ` Jason Wang
2022-09-07  7:07         ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-07  7:46           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-08  2:21             ` Jason Wang
2022-09-08  5:19               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-10-09  5:58                 ` Jason Wang
2022-10-10 17:11                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2022-10-12  3:19                     ` Jason Wang
2022-10-17  7:15                       ` Jason Wang
2022-10-17 20:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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