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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
Cc: "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
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	"Sean Christopherson" <seanjc@google.com>,
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	"Alexander Graf" <graf@amazon.com>,
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	"Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 18/19] heki: x86: Protect guest kernel memory using the KVM hypervisor
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:54:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231113085403.GC16138@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231113022326.24388-19-mic@digikod.net>

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 09:23:25PM -0500, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
> From: Madhavan T. Venkataraman <madvenka@linux.microsoft.com>
> 
> Implement a hypervisor function, kvm_protect_memory() that calls the
> KVM_HC_PROTECT_MEMORY hypercall to request the KVM hypervisor to
> set specified permissions on a list of guest pages.
> 
> Using the protect_memory() function, set proper EPT permissions for all
> guest pages.
> 
> Use the MEM_ATTR_IMMUTABLE property to protect the kernel static
> sections and the boot-time read-only sections. This enables to make sure
> a compromised guest will not be able to change its main physical memory
> page permissions. However, this also disable any feature that may change
> the kernel's text section (e.g., ftrace, Kprobes), but they can still be
> used on kernel modules.
> 
> Module loading/unloading, and eBPF JIT is allowed without restrictions
> for now, but we'll need a way to authenticate these code changes to
> really improve the guests' security. We plan to use module signatures,
> but there is no solution yet to authenticate eBPF programs.
> 
> Being able to use ftrace and Kprobes in a secure way is a challenge not
> solved yet. We're looking for ideas to make this work.
> 
> Likewise, the JUMP_LABEL feature cannot work because the kernel's text
> section is read-only.

What is the actual problem? As is the kernel text map is already RO and
never changed.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-13  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-13  2:23 [RFC PATCH v2 00/19] Hypervisor-Enforced Kernel Integrity Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/19] virt: Introduce Hypervisor Enforced Kernel Integrity (Heki) Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/19] KVM: x86: Add new hypercall to lock control registers Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/19] KVM: x86: Add notifications for Heki policy configuration and violation Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/19] heki: Lock guest control registers at the end of guest kernel init Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/19] KVM: VMX: Add MBEC support Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/19] KVM: x86: Add kvm_x86_ops.fault_gva() Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/19] KVM: x86: Make memory attribute helpers more generic Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/19] KVM: x86: Extend kvm_vm_set_mem_attributes() with a mask Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/19] KVM: x86: Extend kvm_range_has_memory_attributes() with match_all Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/19] KVM: x86: Implement per-guest-page permissions Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/19] KVM: x86: Add new hypercall to set EPT permissions Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/19] x86: Implement the Memory Table feature to store arbitrary per-page data Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/19] heki: Implement a kernel page table walker Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/19] heki: x86: Initialize permissions counters for pages mapped into KVA Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/19] heki: x86: Initialize permissions counters for pages in vmap()/vunmap() Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/19] heki: x86: Update permissions counters when guest page permissions change Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/19] heki: x86: Update permissions counters during text patching Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  8:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-27 16:48     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2023-11-27 20:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-29 21:07         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2023-11-30 11:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-12-06 16:37             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2023-12-06 18:51               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-12-08 18:41                 ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2023-12-01  0:45           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-12-06 16:41             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/19] heki: x86: Protect guest kernel memory using the KVM hypervisor Mickaël Salaün
2023-11-13  8:54   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-11-27 17:05     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2023-11-27 20:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-29 19:47         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2023-11-13  2:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/19] virt: Add Heki KUnit tests Mickaël Salaün

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