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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>,
	Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Dragos Tatulea <dtatulea@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 3/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_NEW_OWNER
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:38:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240715103021-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d414f28e-8887-418f-963a-bb986dbdcaea@oracle.com>

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:29:26AM -0400, Steven Sistare wrote:
> On 7/15/2024 5:07 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 06:18:49AM -0700, Steve Sistare wrote:
> > > Add an ioctl to transfer file descriptor ownership and pinned memory
> > > accounting from one process to another.
> > > 
> > > This is more efficient than VHOST_RESET_OWNER followed by VHOST_SET_OWNER,
> > > as that would unpin all physical pages, requiring them to be repinned in
> > > the new process.  That would cost multiple seconds for large memories, and
> > > be incurred during a virtual machine's pause time during live update.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
> > 
> > Please, we just need to switch to use iommufd for pinning.
> > Piling up all these hacks gets us nowhere.
> 
> I am working on iommufd kernel interfaces and QEMU changes.  But who is working
> on iommufd support for vdpa? If no one, or not for years, then adding these
> small interfaces to vdpa plugs a signficant gap in live update coverage.
> 
> FWIW, the iommufd interfaces for live update will look much the same: change owner
> and pinned memory accounting, and update virtual addresses.  So adding that to vdpa
> will not make it look like an odd duck.
> 
> - Steve

I think that no one is working on it - Cindy posted some rfcs in January
("vhost-vdpa: add support for iommufd").  Feel free to pick that up.
What you described is just more of a reason not to duplicate this code.
And it's always the same: a small extension here, a small extension there.
If you can make do with existing kernel interfaces, fine,
one can argue that userspace code is useful to support existing kernels.

-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-15 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-12 13:18 [PATCH V2 0/7] vdpa live update Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 1/7] vhost-vdpa: count pinned memory Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 2/7] vhost-vdpa: pass mm to bind Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 3/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_NEW_OWNER Steve Sistare
2024-07-15  2:26   ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15  9:06     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-15 14:27     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-16  5:16       ` Jason Wang
2024-07-17 18:28         ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-22  7:26           ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15  9:07   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-15 14:29     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-15 14:38       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2024-07-15 15:38         ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 4/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_BACKEND_F_NEW_OWNER Steve Sistare
2024-07-15  2:31   ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15 14:27     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 5/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_IOTLB_REMAP Steve Sistare
2024-07-15  2:34   ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15 14:28     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-16  5:28       ` Jason Wang
2024-07-17 18:29         ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-18  0:45           ` Jason Wang
2024-07-18 19:39             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-18 20:19               ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-19  1:01                 ` Jason Wang
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 6/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_BACKEND_F_IOTLB_REMAP Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 7/7] vdpa/mlx5: new owner capability Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 14:06 ` [PATCH V2 0/7] vdpa live update Steven Sistare
2024-07-15  2:14 ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15 14:28   ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-16  5:30     ` Jason Wang
2024-07-17 18:29       ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-18  0:33         ` Jason Wang
2024-07-20 21:34           ` Steven Sistare

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