From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] x86: Cleanups around slow_down_io()
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2025 19:59:12 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251216195912.0727cc0d@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14EF14B1-8889-4037-8E7B-C8446299B1E9@zytor.com>
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 07:32:09 -0800
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
> On December 16, 2025 5:55:54 AM PST, "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
> >On 16.12.25 14:48, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >>
> >> * Jürgen Groß <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> CPUs anymore. Should it cause any regressions, it's easy to bisect to.
> >>>> There's been enough changes around all these facilities that the
> >>>> original timings are probably way off already, so we've just been
> >>>> cargo-cult porting these to newer kernels essentially.
> >>>
> >>> Fine with me.
> >>>
> >>> Which path to removal of io_delay would you (and others) prefer?
> >>>
> >>> 1. Ripping it out immediately.
> >>
> >> I'd just rip it out immediately, and see who complains. :-)
> >
> >I figured this might be a little bit too evil. :-)
> >
> >I've just sent V2 defaulting to have no delay, so anyone hit by that
> >can still fix it by applying the "io_delay" boot parameter.
> >
> >I'll do the ripping out for kernel 6.21 (or whatever it will be called).
> >
> >
> >Juergen
>
> Ok, I'm going to veto ripping it out from the real-mode init code,
> because I actually know why it is there :) ...
Pray tell.
One thing I can think of is the delay allows time for a level-sensitive
IRQ line to de-assert before an ISR exits.
Or, maybe more obscure, to avoid back to back accesses to some register
breaking the 'inter-cycle recovery time' for the device.
That was a good way to 'break' the Zilog SCC and the 8259 interrupt
controller (eg on any reference board with a '286 cpu).
David
> and that code is pre-UEFI legacy these days anyway.
>
> Other places... I don't care :)
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-16 19:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-26 16:20 [PATCH 0/5] x86: Cleanups around slow_down_io() Juergen Gross
2025-11-26 16:20 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/paravirt: Replace io_delay() hook with a bool Juergen Gross
2025-11-26 17:08 ` [PATCH 0/5] x86: Cleanups around slow_down_io() Guenter Roeck
2025-12-14 8:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-12-15 6:36 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-12-16 13:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-12-16 13:55 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-12-16 15:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-12-16 19:59 ` David Laight [this message]
2025-12-16 21:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
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