From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
virtualization@lists.osdl.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] Skip timer works.patch
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:24:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <454689C7.6030009@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061030231251.GB98768@muc.de>
Andi Kleen wrote:
>> That is the one that can panic, for now. Fixing the paravirtualized
>> case is easy, but we can't assume paravirtualization just yet.
>>
>
> Hmm, this means standard vmware boot is not reliable unless that magic option
> is set? That doesn't sound good.
>
It doesn't happen often, but it is a possibility that the kernel
calibrates the delay wrong because of timing glitches caused by CPU
migration, paging, or other phenomena which are supposed to be
transparent to the kernel (but cause temporal lapse). In that case, the
kernel may not make enough progress in a spin delay loop to properly
reach the number of microseconds required for N number of timer ticks to
occur. In theory this can happen on a real machine, as SMM mode could
be active, doing USB device emulation or something that takes a while
during the lpj calibration and throwing the computation off.
By changing the parameters (N ticks at K Hz in T seconds), it is easy to
create an unstable measurement that can achieve high failure rates,
although in practice the Linux parameters appear to be reasonable enough
that it is not a major problem.
Zach
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-10-30 23:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-20 0:09 [PATCH 1/5] Skip timer works.patch Zachary Amsden
2006-10-27 14:56 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-27 19:09 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-10-27 21:16 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-30 20:54 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-10-30 22:50 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-30 23:09 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-10-30 23:12 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-30 23:24 ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2006-10-30 23:50 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-15 8:03 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-15 8:21 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-11-15 22:40 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-15 22:54 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-16 3:27 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-16 3:37 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-16 3:37 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-16 5:06 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-16 6:13 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-11-16 7:23 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-16 7:02 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-16 7:16 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-16 8:26 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-16 10:28 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-16 13:16 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-16 19:03 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-16 19:46 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-16 20:24 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-17 4:47 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-17 7:33 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-17 7:38 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-16 22:53 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-16 23:08 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-11-16 23:10 ` Chris Wright
2006-11-17 5:05 ` Andi Kleen
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