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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: virtualization <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Xen & VMI?
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:54:38 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45EE0D4E.3060903@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1173228246.4644.85.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 21:37 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>   
>> maybe i shouldnt call it 'VMI' but 'the paravirt ABI'. I dont mind if 
>> it's the Xen ABI or the VMWare ABI or a mesh of the two - everyone can 
>> map their own internals to that /one/ ABI.
>>     
>
> I think it's an excellent aim, but it's *HARD*.  I rejected this
> approach earlier because I'm just not smart enough.  (Yet?)
>
> The Linux side is fairly stable.  The hardware side is changing, and the
> hypervisor side is changing.  This means the ABI will churn fairly fast.
> The hypervisors are very different, which means the ABI will be very
> wide.
>
> We could start with VMI and try to support Xen, KVM and lguest.

There is one more here.  We also have Xen HVM which will soon want to be 
paravirtualized too.  We don't want the current xen paravirt_ops for 
that as they have a lot of things that HVM does not need.

Since KVM and Xen HVM have the least requirements in term of guest 
modifications, they are probably the obviously places to start.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>   It
> would at least give us a better idea of the scope of the problem.  But
> IMHO it's a *huge* job.
>
> Rusty.
>
>
>
>   

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-07  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070305120631.GA14105@elte.hu>
2007-03-05 13:28 ` [patch] paravirt: VDSO page is essential Rusty Russell
2007-03-05 13:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 14:34   ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-05 13:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 20:11     ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-05 20:16       ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-05 20:33         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-05 20:19       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 20:42         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  0:57   ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-06  1:03     ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  1:11       ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-06  1:14       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  1:51         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  1:53           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  8:19             ` Xen & VMI? Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  8:37               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06  8:48                 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  8:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  9:03                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  9:10                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  9:15                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06  9:34                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 10:15                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06 10:26                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 11:04                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06 11:59                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 12:34                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06 15:03                               ` Anthony Liguori
2007-03-06 17:17                                 ` Nakajima, Jun
2007-03-06 17:32                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-03-06 20:37                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 21:02                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 21:11                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 21:13                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 21:20                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 21:46                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 21:35                                     ` Nakajima, Jun
2007-03-07  0:44                                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-07  0:54                                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2007-03-07  3:06                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07  8:15                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07  9:17                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 11:15                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 19:14                                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 16:27                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 17:11                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 17:33                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07  2:16                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  9:55                     ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-06 10:23                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2007-03-06 10:31                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 19:46                   ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 20:30                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 20:53                       ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 21:03                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 21:28                           ` Chris Wright
2007-03-07  2:35                             ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  9:07               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  9:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 16:42                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 17:18                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 18:04                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  7:35         ` [patch] paravirt: VDSO page is essential Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  7:42           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06  7:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 18:48             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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