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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Dan Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: + stupid-hack-to-make-mainline-build.patch added to -mm tree
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:19:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45EF568C.50506@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45EF5049.3060902@vmware.com>

Dan Hecht wrote:
> On 03/07/2007 03:33 PM, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> I know the vmi time code has coloured your view here, but I surely hope
>> it can be got into a better state before posting.  I'm biased of course,
>> but I would rather hope that all these drivers we're talking about will
>> be as stylistically clean as the Xen time code (which has room for
>> improvement, of course).
>>
>
> Could you send us comments on where you feel the style needs some
> fixing up?

I think Thomas has covered this in quite a bit of detail already.  But
the fact that the code mentions "apic" or "pit" at all seems
unfortunate, but I guess that's what you have to work with.

> VMI encapsulates all the implementation details away from the kernel,
> whereas the Xen time code puts it all out there in the kernel[...]

This is not an exercise in "my hypervisor is better than yours", it's a
matter of getting clean implementations within the constraints of each
hypervisor interface.  The Xen code may be more verbose than the
corresponding VMI code, but it's self-contained and doesn't make any
demands on the rest of the kernel.

The concern is that the vmi code reaches out and does things like set
global_clock_event, calls time_init_hook and so on - basically
complicating the already ugly lapic/pic legacy time mess, and therefore
making yourself part of the tangle if anyone wants to go in there and
change it.

The question is whether you can make the vmi clock implementation
free-standing, in that it has no dependencies other than well defined
interfaces like the clock api itself, the normal (non-legacy) interrupt
api and, of course, the underlying VMI interface.  But no reach-arounds
into the lapic/pit code.

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-08  0:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200703060654.l266sVxr014860@shell0.pdx.osdl.net>
     [not found] ` <45ED16D2.3000202@vmware.com>
     [not found]   ` <20070306084258.GA15745@elte.hu>
     [not found]     ` <20070306084647.GA16280@elte.hu>
2007-03-06  8:55       ` + stupid-hack-to-make-mainline-build.patch added to -mm tree Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06 10:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06 21:07           ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 22:21             ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-06 21:32               ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 23:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:24               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07  0:35                 ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  0:49                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:53                     ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  1:18                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  2:08                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  8:37                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 17:41                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 17:49                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 18:03                                 ` James Morris
2007-03-07 18:35                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  0:45                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-03-07 17:52                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 18:28                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 18:53                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 18:11                               ` James Morris
2007-03-07 18:56                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 19:05                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 19:49                                   ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 20:11                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 20:49                                       ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:14                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 20:57                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:02                                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:08                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 21:19                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:14                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:21                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:33                                       ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:05                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:05                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 23:25                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 23:36                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:40                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:30                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08  0:22                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  1:01                                               ` Daniel Arai
2007-03-08  1:23                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  7:02                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  7:28                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  8:01                                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:24                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 18:44                                                   ` Daniel Arai
2007-03-08 19:14                                                     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 19:17                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 19:42                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 19:47                                                     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 19:52                                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:10                                                         ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:18                                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:23                                                             ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:33                                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:42                                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:42                                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 21:45                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 19:54                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                             ` <20070308091019.GA19460@elte.hu>
2007-03-08 10:06                                               ` hardwired VMI crap Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 11:09                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08 20:46                                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 21:15                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 21:34                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 21:43                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 23:39                                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 23:55                                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09  0:10                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09  0:29                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09  0:22                                                             ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-09  0:28                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-09  0:04                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-09  0:44                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 22:31                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 21:39                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 22:58                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:35                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-07 23:33                                           ` + stupid-hack-to-make-mainline-build.patch added to -mm tree Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:52                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-08  0:19                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-03-08  0:35                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  0:38                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 20:40                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:07                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 21:40                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:34                                     ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:14                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 22:17                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 22:31                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 22:28                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-08  8:01                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08  8:15                                     ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-08  8:41                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 10:26                                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-07 21:42                                 ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:07                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  5:10                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07  0:40                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:42               ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  1:22                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  1:44                   ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  7:48                     ` Thomas Gleixner

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