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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: tglx@linutronix.de
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pratap Subrahmanyam <pratap@vmware.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Daniel Arai <arai@vmware.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: hardwired VMI crap
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:44:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45F0ADE1.6060303@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1173398690.24738.1108.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Once you are there, you are near the point where you created a virtual
> architecture, which could run on any real architecture which gets
> supported by a hypervisor backend.
>
> I'd love that :)
>   

Sure.  But not even hypervisors.  Once we sort out pv_ops's SMP support,
it will be this >< close to covering everything in the subarch
interface.  So we can drop all that goo in favour of paravirt_ops, and
make a single kernel that will boot on everything from voyager to
numa-q!  How's that for world peace?

> I know it is tricky to combine this with the upcoming hardware
> virtualization support. But it's at least a worthwhile thought
> experiment.
>   

Well, in many ways that's a step backwards.  The upside is that its
easier to get away with simply emulating the some particular piece
hardware, but it does lose a lot of opportunities for interesting
flexibility and optimisations.

But I anticipate we'll get a xen-hvm pv_ops backend, for running under
Xen with a virtualizing cpu.  It will probably look a lot like kvm's
pv_ops backend.

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-09  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200703060654.l266sVxr014860@shell0.pdx.osdl.net>
     [not found] ` <45ED16D2.3000202@vmware.com>
     [not found]   ` <20070306084258.GA15745@elte.hu>
     [not found]     ` <20070306084647.GA16280@elte.hu>
2007-03-06  8:55       ` + stupid-hack-to-make-mainline-build.patch added to -mm tree Zachary Amsden
2007-03-06 10:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06 21:07           ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 22:21             ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-06 21:32               ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-06 23:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:24               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07  0:35                 ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  0:49                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:53                     ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  1:18                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  2:08                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  8:37                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 17:41                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 17:49                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 18:03                                 ` James Morris
2007-03-07 18:35                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  0:45                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-03-07 17:52                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07 18:28                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 18:53                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 18:11                               ` James Morris
2007-03-07 18:56                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 19:05                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 19:49                                   ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 20:11                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 20:49                                       ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:14                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 20:57                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:02                                         ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:08                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 21:19                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:14                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 21:21                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:33                                       ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:05                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:05                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 23:25                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 23:36                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:40                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:30                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08  0:22                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  1:01                                               ` Daniel Arai
2007-03-08  1:23                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  7:02                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  7:28                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  8:01                                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:24                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 18:44                                                   ` Daniel Arai
2007-03-08 19:14                                                     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 19:17                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 19:42                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 19:47                                                     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 19:52                                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:10                                                         ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:18                                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:23                                                             ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:33                                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 20:42                                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-08 20:42                                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 21:45                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 19:54                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                             ` <20070308091019.GA19460@elte.hu>
2007-03-08 10:06                                               ` hardwired VMI crap Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 11:09                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08 20:46                                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 21:15                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 21:34                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 21:43                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 23:39                                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 23:55                                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09  0:10                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09  0:29                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09  0:22                                                             ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-09  0:28                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-09  0:04                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-09  0:44                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-03-08 22:31                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 21:39                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-08 22:58                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-08 18:35                                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-07 23:33                                           ` + stupid-hack-to-make-mainline-build.patch added to -mm tree Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 23:52                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-08  0:19                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08  0:35                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-08  0:38                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 20:40                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:07                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07 21:40                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 21:34                                     ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:14                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 22:17                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-07 22:31                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07 22:28                                             ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-08  8:01                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08  8:15                                     ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-08  8:41                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-08 10:26                                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-07 21:42                                 ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07 22:07                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  5:10                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-07  0:40                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  0:42               ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  1:22                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-07  1:44                   ` Dan Hecht
2007-03-07  7:48                     ` Thomas Gleixner

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