From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.osdl.org,
xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Subject: Re: [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:10:18 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45FBB07A.2000701@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45FB38F7.5010306@goop.org>
Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> I think the suggestion is much simpler. If you convince gcc/binutils to
> leave the .reloc section in vmlinux, and make that available to the
> kernel itself, then you can scan all the kernel's relocs to find ones
> which refer to paravirt_ops, and use those to determine which are
> callsites that can be patched.
>
Yes, that is pretty nice.
> The main upside is that all the callsites are just normal C calls;
> there's no special syntax or strange macros, and we get the full benefit
> of typechecking, etc.
>
> But I can see a few downsides compared the current scheme:
>
> 1. Identifying the callsites is a somewhat hackish process of looking
> at a reloc and doing a bit of dissassembly to see what is using
> the reloc, to identify calls and jumps
> 2. There's nothing explicit to tell us how much space there is to
> patch into; we just have to assume sizeof(indirect call/jmp)
> 3. There's no information about the register environment at the
> callsite, so we just have to adopt normal C ABI rules. For the
> patch sites in hand-written asm, this could be tricky.
> 4. gcc could do strange things which prevent detection of patch
> sites. For example, it might CSE the value of, say,
> paravirt_ops.irq_enable, which would be a reasonable optimisation,
> but prevent any of the resulting indirect calls from being
> patched. In general it relies on gcc to generate identifiable
> callsites, which is a bit unpredictable.
> 5. There's still a moderate amount of binutils hackery to get the
> relocs into the right form, and there's plenty of scope for it to
> screw up.
>
And yes, those are nasty points. I think I'd be interested in seeing
more discussion on it, perhaps those issues could be worked out.
>> [ Roswell technology deleted ]
>>
Nack. Everyone needs Roswell technology.
Actually, that was not a serious proposal. I think the effort and
complexity would likely not justify the gain. But I still had to throw
it out, since it is what we use on Betelgeuse.
Z
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Thread overview: 201+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-01 23:24 [patch 00/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Xen guest implementation for paravirt_ops interface Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 01/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Fix typo in sync_constant_test_bit()s name Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 02/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: ignore vgacon if hardware not present Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 03/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: use paravirt_nop to consistently mark no-op operations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:43 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 19:49 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 20:00 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 21:59 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 22:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 22:18 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 04/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add pagetable accessors to pack and unpack pagetable entries Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 05/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: paravirt_ops: hooks to set up initial pagetable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 19:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-03-17 9:47 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 06/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: paravirt_ops: allocate a fixmap slot Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 07/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Allow paravirt backend to choose kernel PMD sharing Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 08/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: add hooks to intercept mm creation and destruction Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 09/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: remove HAVE_ARCH_MM_LIFETIME, define no-op architecture implementations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 10/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: rename struct paravirt_patch to paravirt_patch_site for clarity Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 11/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Use patch site IDs computed from offset in paravirt_ops structure Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 12/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Fix patch site clobbers to include return register Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 0:45 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-02 0:49 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 0:52 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-02 0:58 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 1:18 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-16 9:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:37 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 9:33 ` David Miller
2007-03-16 9:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 19:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 20:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-17 10:33 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-18 7:33 ` David Miller
2007-03-18 7:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 12:08 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 15:58 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 17:04 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 17:29 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 19:30 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 23:46 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 10:57 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-19 17:58 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 19:08 ` David Miller
2007-03-19 20:59 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 3:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 3:47 ` David Miller
2007-03-20 4:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 13:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 17:42 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 18:03 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 19:21 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 20:23 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 21:39 ` Alan Cox
2007-03-20 21:49 ` [Xen-devel] " Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 23:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 23:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21 6:08 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-20 16:12 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-20 1:23 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 1:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 2:47 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-19 18:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-19 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 19:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 0:01 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20 2:00 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 4:20 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20 5:54 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 11:33 ` Andreas Kleen
2007-03-20 15:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 15:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 16:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 22:09 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-21 0:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21 2:53 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-21 2:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21 3:43 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 22:43 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 23:08 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 23:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-21 1:14 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 23:41 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-21 0:20 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 19:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 19:54 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 20:02 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:26 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 22:41 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20 17:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-21 0:03 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-12 23:16 ` David Miller
2007-03-19 18:41 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-19 19:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 19:46 ` David Miller
2007-03-19 20:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 23:42 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-16 17:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 23:29 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-17 0:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-17 9:10 ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2007-03-17 9:26 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 14/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: add common patching machinery Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 9:15 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 15/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add apply_to_page_range() which applies a function to a pte range Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:47 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 16/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Allocate and free vmalloc areas Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 17/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add nosegneg capability to the vsyscall page notes Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 21:26 ` Roland McGrath
2007-03-16 21:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 22:20 ` Roland McGrath
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 18/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add XEN config options Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 19/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen interface header files Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 20/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Core Xen implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 12:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-16 16:33 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 16:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 16:57 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:12 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-19 18:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-19 18:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 18:15 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-17 9:13 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-18 7:03 ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 21/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Use the hvc console infrastructure for Xen console Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 8:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 9:28 ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
[not found] ` <C22013C9.B9E6%keir@xensource.com>
2007-03-16 9:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 10:31 ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 10:31 ` Keir Fraser
[not found] ` <C2202295.BA49%keir@xensource.com>
2007-03-16 11:41 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-16 11:58 ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 11:58 ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 17:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 22/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add early printk support via hvc console Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 8:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 23/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen grant table support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 8:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:00 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 24/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xenbus sysfs and virtual device hotplug driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 8:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:18 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 16:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:40 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:53 ` Greg KH
2007-03-16 16:57 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 25/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen virtual block device driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 26/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xen virtual network " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 0:42 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02 0:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 1:30 ` [RFC] Arp announce (for Xen) Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02 8:46 ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-02 12:54 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-02 14:08 ` jamal
2007-03-02 18:08 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 4:35 ` David Miller
2007-03-06 18:51 ` [RFC] ARP notify option Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-06 19:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 19:07 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 21:18 ` Chris Friesen
2007-03-06 22:52 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-07 6:42 ` Pekka Savola
2007-03-07 17:00 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02 1:21 ` [patch 26/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xen virtual network device driver Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-02 1:26 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 8:42 ` [patch 00/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Xen guest implementation for paravirt_ops interface Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:26 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 18:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-16 19:26 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-27 8:13 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-27 8:13 ` [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
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