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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: zach@vmware.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, virtualization@lists.osdl.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, chrisw@sous-sol.org,
	Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
	anthony@codemonkey.ws, mingo@elte.hu,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:10:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45FEE010.1050103@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1648xxf93.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> writes:
>
>   
>> On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 13:08 +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
>>     
>>>> The idea is _NOT_ that you go look for references to the paravirt_ops
>>>> members structure, that would be stupid and you wouldn't be able to
>>>> use the most efficient addressing mode on a given cpu, you'd be
>>>> patching up indirect calls and crap like that.  Just say no...
>>>>         
>>> That wouldn't handle inlines though. At least some of the current
>>> paravirtops like cli/sti are critical enough to require inlining.
>>>       
>> Well, we'd patch the inline over the call if we have room.
>>
>> Magic patching would be neat, but the downsides are that (1) we can't
>> expand the patching room and (2) there's no way of attaching clobber
>> info to the call site (doing register liveness analysis is not
>> appealing).
>>     
>
> True.  You can use all of the call clobbered registers.
>   

The trouble is that there are places where we want to intercept things
like sti/cli in entry.S in a context where all the registers are in use,
so we can't generally make the assumption that caller-saved regs are
clobberable.  For any call-site in compiler-generated code we can make
that assumption, of course.

>> Now, this may not be fatal.  5 bytes is enough for all the native ops to
>> be patched inline.   For lguest this covers popf and pushf, but not cli
>> and sti (10 bytes): they'd have to be calls.
>>
>> As for clobber info, it turns out that almost all of the calls can
>> clobber %eax, which is probably enough.  We just need to mark the
>> handful of asm ones where this isn't true.
>>     
>
> I guess if the code is larger than a function call I'm failing to see
> the disadvantage in making it a direct function call.  Any modern
> processor ought to be able to predict it perfectly, and processors
> like the P4 may even optimize the call out of their L1 instruction
> cache.
>   

For current processors, I think i-cache pollution is really the only
downside to a call.  But maybe you could put multiple pv-op functions
into a cacheline if they're used in close proximity
(cli/sti/save_fl/restore_fl would all fit into a single cacheline).

> If what David is suggesting works, making all of these direct calls
> looks easy and very maintainable.   At which point patching
> instructions inline is quite possibly overkill.
>   

I spent some time looking at what it would take to get this going.  It
would probably look something like:

   1. make CONFIG_PARAVIRT select CONFIG_RELOCATABLE
   2. generate vmlinux
   3. extract relocs, and process the references to paravirt symbols
      into a table
   4. compile and link that table into the kernel again (like the ksyms
      dance)
   5. at boot time, use that table to redirect calls/references into the
      paravirt backend to the appropriate one

I think if we store the reloc references as section-relative, and the
reloc table itself is linked into its own section, then there's no need
for multipass linking to combine the reloc table into the kernel image,
since adding that table won't affect any existing reloc.

All this is doable; I'd probably end up hacking boot/compressed/relocs.c
to generate the appropriate reloc table.  My main concern is hacking the
kernel build process itself; I'm unsure of what it would actually take
to implement all this.

> Is it truly critical to inline any of these instructions?
>   

Possibly not, but I'd like to be able to say with confidence that
running a PARAVIRT kernel on bare hardware has no performance loss
compared to running a !PARAVIRT kernel.  There's the case of small
instruction sequences which have been replaced with calls (such as
sti/cli/push;popf/etc), and also the case of hooks which are noops on
native (like make_pte/pte_val, etc).  In those cases it would be nice to
patch in a replacement, either a real instruction or just nops.


    J

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-19 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 201+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-01 23:24 [patch 00/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Xen guest implementation for paravirt_ops interface Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 01/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Fix typo in sync_constant_test_bit()s name Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 02/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: ignore vgacon if hardware not present Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 03/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: use paravirt_nop to consistently mark no-op operations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:44   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:43     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 19:49       ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 20:00         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 21:59           ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 22:10             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 22:18               ` Chris Wright
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 04/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add pagetable accessors to pack and unpack pagetable entries Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:42     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 05/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: paravirt_ops: hooks to set up initial pagetable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:33   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:39     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 19:35       ` Steven Rostedt
2007-03-17  9:47       ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 06/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: paravirt_ops: allocate a fixmap slot Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 07/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Allow paravirt backend to choose kernel PMD sharing Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 08/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: add hooks to intercept mm creation and destruction Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:30   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:38     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 09/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: remove HAVE_ARCH_MM_LIFETIME, define no-op architecture implementations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:27   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 10/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: rename struct paravirt_patch to paravirt_patch_site for clarity Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 11/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Use patch site IDs computed from offset in paravirt_ops structure Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 12/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Fix patch site clobbers to include return register Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02  0:45   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-02  0:49     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02  0:52       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-02  0:58         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02  1:18           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-16  9:26   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:37     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16  9:33     ` David Miller
2007-03-16  9:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 19:16         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 20:38       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-17 10:33         ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-18  7:33           ` David Miller
2007-03-18  7:59             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 12:08             ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 15:58               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 17:04                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 17:29                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 19:30                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 23:46                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 10:57                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-19 17:58                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 19:08                           ` David Miller
2007-03-19 20:59                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20  3:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20  3:47                                 ` David Miller
2007-03-20  4:19                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 13:28                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:25                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 17:42                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 18:03                                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 17:27                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 19:21                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 18:49                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 20:23                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 21:39                                                       ` Alan Cox
2007-03-20 21:49                                                         ` [Xen-devel] " Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 23:51                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 23:43                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21  6:08                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-20 16:12                                     ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-20  1:23                         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20  1:45                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19  2:47               ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-19 18:25                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-19 18:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 18:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 19:33                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20  0:01                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20  2:00                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20  4:20                         ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20  5:54                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 11:33                           ` Andreas Kleen
2007-03-20 15:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 15:58                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 16:06                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 16:31                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 22:09                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-21  0:24                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21  2:53                                       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-21  2:15                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21  3:43                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 22:43                                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 23:08                                     ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 23:33                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-21  1:14                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 23:41                                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-21  0:20                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 19:28                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 19:54                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 20:02                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:26                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 22:41                               ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20 17:00                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-21  0:03                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-12 23:16                               ` David Miller
2007-03-19 18:41                   ` Chris Wright
2007-03-19 19:10                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-03-19 19:46                     ` David Miller
2007-03-19 20:06                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 23:42                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-16 17:36     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 23:29       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-17  0:40         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-17  9:10           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-17  9:26     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 14/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: add common patching machinery Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17  9:15     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 15/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add apply_to_page_range() which applies a function to a pte range Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:19   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:47     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:08     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 16/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Allocate and free vmalloc areas Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:16   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:05     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 17/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add nosegneg capability to the vsyscall page notes Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:15   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 21:26     ` Roland McGrath
2007-03-16 21:56       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 22:20         ` Roland McGrath
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 18/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add XEN config options Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:14   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:04     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 19/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen interface header files Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 20/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Core Xen implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:14   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 12:00     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-16 16:33     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 16:44       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 16:57         ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:12     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-19 18:05       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-19 18:13         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 18:15         ` Chris Wright
2007-03-17  9:13     ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-18  7:03       ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 21/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Use the hvc console infrastructure for Xen console Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  8:54   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16  9:28     ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
     [not found]     ` <C22013C9.B9E6%keir@xensource.com>
2007-03-16  9:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 10:31         ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 10:31         ` Keir Fraser
     [not found]         ` <C2202295.BA49%keir@xensource.com>
2007-03-16 11:41           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-16 11:58             ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 11:58             ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 17:02     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 22/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add early printk support via hvc console Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  8:52   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 23/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen grant table support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  8:51   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:00     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 24/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xenbus sysfs and virtual device hotplug driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  8:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:18     ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 16:19       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:40         ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:53           ` Greg KH
2007-03-16 16:57     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 25/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen virtual block device driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 26/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xen virtual network " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02  0:42   ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02  0:56     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02  1:30       ` [RFC] Arp announce (for Xen) Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02  8:46         ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-02 12:54         ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-02 14:08           ` jamal
2007-03-02 18:08         ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06  4:35         ` David Miller
2007-03-06 18:51           ` [RFC] ARP notify option Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-06 19:04             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 19:07             ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 21:18             ` Chris Friesen
2007-03-06 22:52               ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-07  6:42               ` Pekka Savola
2007-03-07 17:00                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02  1:21     ` [patch 26/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xen virtual network device driver Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-02  1:26       ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16  8:42 ` [patch 00/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Xen guest implementation for paravirt_ops interface Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:55   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16  9:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:26   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 18:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-16 19:26       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-27  8:13 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-27  8:13 ` [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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