From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
mingo@elte.hu, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.osdl.org,
xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, chrisw@sous-sol.org,
zach@vmware.com, anthony@codemonkey.ws, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:33:05 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45FEE571.9060302@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703191134190.6730@woody.linux-foundation.org>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>> True. You can use all of the call clobbered registers.
>>
>
> Quite often, the biggest single win of inlining is not so much the code
> size (although if done right, that will be smaller too), but the fact that
> inlining DOES NOT CLOBBER AS MANY REGISTERS!
>
Yes, that's something that we've been conscious of when designing the
pv_ops patching mechanism. As it stands, each time you emit a call to a
pv-ops operation, it not only stores the start and end of the patchable
area, but also which registers are available for clobbering at that
callsite by the patched-in code. For things like sti/cli, where the
surrounding code expects nothing to be clobbered, we make sure that the
regs are preserved on the pv-ops side, even though there's a call to a
normal C function in the middle. That gives in the pvops backend the
flexibility to patch over that site with either some inline code or a
call out to some function which doesn't necessarily clobber the full
caller-save set (or even any registers).
> In short: people here seem to think that inlining is about avoiding the
> call/ret sequence. Not so. The real advantages of inlining are elsewhere.
>
Yes. Probably the biggest win of inlining is constant propagation into
the inline function, but register-use flexibility is good small-scale
win (vs the micro-scale call/ret elimination).
> Side note, you can certainly fix things like this at least in theory, but
> it requires:
>
> - the "call" instruction that is used instead of the inlining should
> basically have no callee-clobbers. Any paravirt_ops called this way
> should have a special calling sequence where they simple save and
> restore all the registers they use.
>
> This is usually not that bad. Just create a per-architecture wrapper
> function that saves/restores anything that the C calling convention on
> that architecture says is clobbered by calls.
>
Most of the places we intercept are normal C calls anyway, so this isn't
a big issue. Its mainly the places where we replace single instructions
that this will have a big effect.
The trouble with this is that we're back to having to have special
wrappers around each call to hide the normal C calling convention from
the compiler, so that it knows that it has more registers to play with.
This was the main complaint about the original version of the patch,
because it all looks very ugly.
> - if the function has arguments, and the inlined sequence can take the
> arguments in arbitrary registers, you are going to penalize the inlined
> sequence anyway (by forcing some fixed arbitrary register allocation
> policy).This thing is largely unfixable without some really extreme
> compiler games (like post-processing the assembler output and having
> different entry-points depending on where the arguments are..)
>
Yeah, that doesn't sound like much fun. I think using the normal
regparm calling convention will be OK. Aside from some slightly longer
instruction encodings, all the registers are more or less
interchangeable anyway.
> .. it will obviously depend on how thngs are done whether these things are
> useful or not. But it does mean that it's always a good idea to just have
> a config option of "turn off all the paravirt crap, because it *does* add
> overhead, and replacing instructions on the fly doesn't make that
> overhead go away".
Yes, there's a big switch to turn all this off. It would be nice if we
could get things to the point that it isn't necessary to have (ie,
running on bare hardware really is indistinguishable either way), but
we're a fair way from being able to prove that. In the meantime, the
goal is to try to keep the source-level changes a local as possible so
that maintaining the CONFIG_PARAVIRT vs non-PARAVIRT distinction is
straightforward.
J
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2007-03-01 23:24 [patch 00/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Xen guest implementation for paravirt_ops interface Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 01/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Fix typo in sync_constant_test_bit()s name Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 02/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: ignore vgacon if hardware not present Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 03/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: use paravirt_nop to consistently mark no-op operations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:43 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 19:49 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 20:00 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 21:59 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 22:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 22:18 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 04/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add pagetable accessors to pack and unpack pagetable entries Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 05/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: paravirt_ops: hooks to set up initial pagetable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 18:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 19:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2007-03-17 9:47 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 06/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: paravirt_ops: allocate a fixmap slot Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 07/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Allow paravirt backend to choose kernel PMD sharing Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 08/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: add hooks to intercept mm creation and destruction Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 09/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: remove HAVE_ARCH_MM_LIFETIME, define no-op architecture implementations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 10/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: rename struct paravirt_patch to paravirt_patch_site for clarity Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 11/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Use patch site IDs computed from offset in paravirt_ops structure Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 12/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Fix patch site clobbers to include return register Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 0:45 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-02 0:49 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 0:52 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-02 0:58 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 1:18 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-16 9:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:37 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 9:33 ` David Miller
2007-03-16 9:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 19:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 20:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-17 10:33 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-18 7:33 ` David Miller
2007-03-18 7:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 12:08 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 15:58 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 17:04 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 17:29 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-18 19:30 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18 23:46 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 10:57 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-19 17:58 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 19:08 ` David Miller
2007-03-19 20:59 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 3:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 3:47 ` David Miller
2007-03-20 4:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 13:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 17:42 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 18:03 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 19:21 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 20:23 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 21:39 ` Alan Cox
2007-03-20 21:49 ` [Xen-devel] " Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 23:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 23:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21 6:08 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-20 16:12 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-20 1:23 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 1:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 2:47 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-19 18:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-19 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 19:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-03-20 0:01 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20 2:00 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 4:20 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20 5:54 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 11:33 ` Andreas Kleen
2007-03-20 15:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 15:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-20 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 16:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 22:09 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-21 0:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21 2:53 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-21 2:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21 3:43 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 22:43 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 23:08 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 23:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-21 1:14 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 23:41 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-21 0:20 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 19:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 19:54 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-20 20:02 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 16:26 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-20 22:41 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-20 17:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-21 0:03 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-12 23:16 ` David Miller
2007-03-19 18:41 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-19 19:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 19:46 ` David Miller
2007-03-19 20:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 23:42 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-16 17:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 23:29 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-17 0:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-17 9:10 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-17 9:26 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 14/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: add common patching machinery Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 9:15 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 15/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add apply_to_page_range() which applies a function to a pte range Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:47 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:24 ` [patch 16/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Allocate and free vmalloc areas Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 17/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add nosegneg capability to the vsyscall page notes Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 21:26 ` Roland McGrath
2007-03-16 21:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 22:20 ` Roland McGrath
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 18/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add XEN config options Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 19/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen interface header files Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 20/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Core Xen implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 12:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-16 16:33 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 16:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 16:57 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:12 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-19 18:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-19 18:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-19 18:15 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-17 9:13 ` Rusty Russell
2007-03-18 7:03 ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 21/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Use the hvc console infrastructure for Xen console Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 8:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 9:28 ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
[not found] ` <C22013C9.B9E6%keir@xensource.com>
2007-03-16 9:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 10:31 ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 10:31 ` Keir Fraser
[not found] ` <C2202295.BA49%keir@xensource.com>
2007-03-16 11:41 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-16 11:58 ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 11:58 ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-16 17:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 22/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add early printk support via hvc console Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 8:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 23/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen grant table support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 8:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:00 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 24/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xenbus sysfs and virtual device hotplug driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 8:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:18 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 16:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:40 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 17:53 ` Greg KH
2007-03-16 16:57 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 25/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add Xen virtual block device driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:25 ` [patch 26/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xen virtual network " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 0:42 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02 0:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-02 1:30 ` [RFC] Arp announce (for Xen) Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02 8:46 ` Keir Fraser
2007-03-02 12:54 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-02 14:08 ` jamal
2007-03-02 18:08 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 4:35 ` David Miller
2007-03-06 18:51 ` [RFC] ARP notify option Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-06 19:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 19:07 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-06 21:18 ` Chris Friesen
2007-03-06 22:52 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-07 6:42 ` Pekka Savola
2007-03-07 17:00 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-03-02 1:21 ` [patch 26/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Add the Xen virtual network device driver Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-02 1:26 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-16 8:42 ` [patch 00/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Xen guest implementation for paravirt_ops interface Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 16:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 9:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:26 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-16 18:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-16 19:26 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-27 8:13 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-27 8:13 ` [patch 13/26] Xen-paravirt_ops: Consistently wrap paravirt ops callsites to make them patchable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
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