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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	mathiasen@gmail.com,
	Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: A set of "standard" virtual devices?
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 13:56:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46116E12.5070206@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4611652F.700@zytor.com>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On the subject of virtualization; there are a number of devices which
> keep being invented and reinvented by just about every virtualization
> vendor for no really good reason.
>
> I personally recently pointed out that a proper virtualization
> solution should handle entropy collection at the lowest level (where
> the physical hardware drivers are) and present a hw_rng interface to
> the guests. Unfortunately, none of the hardware-based hw_rng
> interfaces is sane enough to do that with, which calls for a virtual
> driver.
>
> It would be nice if there was one, and not a dozen, such drivers.
>
> I would therefore like to propose that the Linux Foundation register a
> PCI ID for use by LANANA ($3000/year), and we set up a LANANA registry
> for these device IDs, together with a description of the device
> interface each of them expect.  Similarly, a Subsystem ID registry can
> be used (for virtualization vendors which don't have their own VID
> already) to distinguish different implementations.
>
> Obviously, anyone who adheres to the published interface can use one
> of these VID:DIDs -- as far as I'm concerned, even hardware vendors;
> we'll use the SID to distinguish between implementations. 

How would that work in the case where virtualized guests don't have a
visible PCI bus, and the virtual environment doesn't pretend to emulate
a PCI bus?

    J

       reply	other threads:[~2007-04-02 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4611652F.700@zytor.com>
2007-04-02 20:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-04-02 21:12   ` A set of "standard" virtual devices? Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:33     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 21:36       ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:42         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-02 22:04             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 22:10           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:25             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 22:30               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03  9:41             ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 10:41               ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 12:15                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 13:39                   ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 14:03                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 16:07                       ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03  8:29     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-04-03  8:30       ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03  9:17         ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03  9:26           ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 10:51             ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 15:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-03 17:50           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 19:07             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 19:42               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 19:55                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 20:03                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 21:00                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:45                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 21:51                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 22:10                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 22:49                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-04  0:52                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 13:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-04 15:50                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 20:50                   ` Arnd Bergmann

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