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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel
	<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	virtualization
	<virtualization-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] KVM paravirt_ops implementation
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:48:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4679A0A6.1020200@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46799755.8060405-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Zachary Amsden wrote:
> If I had a gentoo install,

Yes, but then you'd be a gentoo user. ;)

> I would probably go so far as to want to recompile everything after 
> migration across CPU vendors; things like NMIs, MSRs, thermal controls 
> and sleep states are also vendor dependent and either need to be 
> emulated both ways, re-invented in a new way entirely, or just dropped.

Many of those things are meaningless for a guest to see or control.

> I don't think cross-CPU vendor hot migration is particularly 
> compelling, although it certainly is possible, the payoff doesn't seem 
> worth the implementation cost and you will find a maze of brambly 
> thorns blocking your path.

We see people trying to do it, and for good reasons.  The selling point 
of VMs is that they can install their thingy once, and it becomes 
independent from its hardware environment, to the extent that they can 
update their hardware without having to worry about its effects on their 
guests.  With a stable OS and live migration, its reasonable to consider 
a guest VM undergoing multiple hardware upgrade transitions with no 
downtime.

I think the general approach is to have a compatible<->performance 
slider which disables/enables non-portable features.  Migrating between 
Intel/AMD is just a slightly more extreme point on the continuum of 
allowing people to migrate between different models within one 
manufacturer's line.

    J

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-20 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-18  2:56 [PATCH 0/5] KVM paravirt_ops implementation Anthony Liguori
     [not found] ` <4675F462.1010708-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  2:58   ` [PATCH 1/5] KVM paravirt_ops core infrastructure Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <4675F4C3.6050700-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  8:03       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46763C6B.9050004-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:25           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <467679C5.6030201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:28               ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-26  8:04       ` Dor Laor
     [not found]         ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160C73025E-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-26  8:45           ` Jun Koi
     [not found]             ` <fdaac4d50706260145x1ebceadt432edd5b6a6ac1f2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-26 11:57               ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-26 11:56           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-18  2:58   ` [PATCH 2/5] KVM: Implement CR read caching for KVM paravirt_ops Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <4675F4F1.5090207-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  8:05       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46763CD3.3060704-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:26           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-18  8:11       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46763E35.8020108-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:27           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-18  3:00   ` [PATCH 3/5] KVM: Add paravirt MMU write support Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <4675F533.40809-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  8:20       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46764061.9080705-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:33           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <46767B8C.9050001-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:38               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <46767CD1.7030208-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:48                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-19 21:57           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <46785132.3070505-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-19 22:19               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                 ` <4678567C.6040400-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-19 22:28                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-18  3:00   ` [PATCH 4/5] KVM: Add hypercall queue for paravirt_ops implementation Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <4675F568.90608-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  4:00       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]         ` <46760343.5070401-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  4:09           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-18 12:22           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-18  9:07       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46764B47.5060403-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:40           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <46767D47.1010104-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:50               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <46767F98.70109-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 13:03                   ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                     ` <1182171781.4593.38.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 13:19                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                         ` <4676867E.1090208-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 13:25                           ` Gregory Haskins
2007-06-18 13:22                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <46768724.3000509-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 13:35                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <46768A3F.2010202-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 14:02                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                             ` <4676905B.6000805-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 15:08                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                 ` <46769FFE.6040502-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 15:20                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <4676A2D4.2040704-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 16:01                                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-18 16:00                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                     ` <4676AC10.3090007-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 17:47                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-18  3:03   ` [PATCH 5/5] KVM: paravirt time source Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <4675F601.3090706-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  9:24       ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-18 19:11       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]         ` <4676D8E4.3020806-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 21:52           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <4676FEB9.6060308-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 22:04               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                 ` <46770162.6030101-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 23:33                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4677163F.2030308-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 23:56                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                         ` <46771BA0.2000308-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-19  0:53                           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-19  7:44                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <4677894D.3050500-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-19  8:04                           ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-19 20:38           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <46783EDB.5010808-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-19 21:26               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                 ` <46784A0E.3080502-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-19 21:38                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-21  7:04               ` Dong, Eddie
2007-06-18  3:19   ` [PATCH 0/5] KVM paravirt_ops implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]     ` <4675F9DE.6080806-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  3:36       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4675FDCA.4040006-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18  4:21           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]             ` <4676084F.3090901-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 12:46               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                 ` <46767EB2.4090707-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 14:46                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                     ` <46769AD2.9080105-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-18 15:07                       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-20  0:21               ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]                 ` <46787325.30804-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 14:22                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4679381E.9090404-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 15:32                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                         ` <46794899.6070708-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 19:35                           ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]                             ` <46798174.2060304-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 19:47                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-20 19:52                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                 ` <46798597.4020903-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 20:03                                   ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]                                     ` <4679882B.7070605-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 20:16                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                                         ` <46798B16.5090407-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 20:27                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                             ` <46798D9B.5000400-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 20:33                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                                                 ` <46798F1A.4090901-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 20:46                                                   ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]                                                     ` <4679921A.8090607-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 20:55                                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-20 22:08                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                     ` <4679A54F.5020908-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 22:33                                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-20 20:43                                               ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]                                                 ` <46799157.3070805-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 20:53                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                                                     ` <467993B1.6000307-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 21:08                                                       ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]                                                         ` <46799755.8060405-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 21:48                                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-06-20 22:39                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-20 20:22                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                         ` <46798C99.8010303-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 20:37                                           ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]                                             ` <46799001.5020807-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 21:07                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                                                 ` <46799716.9040402-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 21:27                                                   ` ron minnich
2007-06-20 21:39                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-19 23:49           ` Zachary Amsden

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