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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/4] New virtio bus driver
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:56:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46933BBE.3030908@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1184032419.6005.430.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 15:09 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>   
>> Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>     
>>> Why do you think we want to have multiple outstanding read messages?
>>> I would guess that a single message is enough, you can always requeue
>>> it after one event gets processed.
>>>       
>> Suppose there is one message queued.  The host reconfigures and sends 
>> the message. A new reconfiguration event now cannot be propagated.
>>
>> If there are two messages queued, the host can post the updates in the 
>> second message.  The guest would then post two new messages (since it 
>> can't tell whether any reconfiguration events occured after the second 
>> message), the host would fill one, and everyone is happy.
>>     
>
> But there can always be another reconfig about to happen after whatever
> the guest is processing now.  Is there any point in the guest doing
> anything other than one at a time, in order?
>
>   

I thought that would help prevent races, but there's a much simpler way: 
the host sets an internal flag if an event happened since the last 
message was posted, etc.  So one message should suffice.


>> Rusty, If you agree with this, I think it needs to be added to the core 
>> protocol.
>>     
>
> Well, using an "events" virtqueue in the core means existing virtual I/O
> mechanisms need to fake one up on the guest.  Using a function-call
> interface is more natural (and doesn't stop a virtio layer from using an
> events virtqueue and demuxing).
>
> Also, are we sure about the assumption that events won't have ordering
> constraints wrt other queues?  For example, a media change event might;
> I don't know the semantics required there...

Yeah.  Maybe just allow configuration messages on the regular virtqueues 
(they can cause a callback to be called, which parses  the message and 
passes it to the function-call interface.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-10  7:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-06 12:42 [RFC 0/4] Using a generic bus_type for virtio arnd
2007-07-06 12:42 ` [RFC 1/4] New virtio bus driver arnd
2007-07-08  9:59   ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-08 15:29     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-08 15:48       ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-08 20:29         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-08 23:42           ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-09  6:49           ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-09 11:18             ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-09 11:41               ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-09 11:38                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-09 12:09                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-09 14:24                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-09 14:56                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-09 16:33                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-10  1:53                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-10  7:56                       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-07-10  1:17             ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-10  6:06               ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-06 12:42 ` [RFC 2/4] Convert virtio_net to new virtio bus arnd
2007-07-06 12:42 ` [RFC 3/4] Convert virtio_blk " arnd
2007-07-06 12:42 ` [RFC 4/4] Example virtio host implementation, using chardev arnd
2007-07-08  2:15 ` [RFC 0/4] Using a generic bus_type for virtio Rusty Russell
2007-07-08  9:45   ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-08 15:55   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-07-08  9:42 ` Avi Kivity

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