From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>, Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add I/O hypercalls for i386 paravirt
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:07:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46CC6D63.2010204@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070822175918.GB8058@bingen.suse.de>
Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 09:48:25AM -0700, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>
>> Andi Kleen wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:23:14PM -0700, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In general, I/O in a virtual guest is subject to performance problems.
>>>> The I/O can not be completed physically, but must be virtualized. This
>>>> means trapping and decoding port I/O instructions from the guest OS.
>>>> Not only is the trap for a #GP heavyweight, both in the processor and
>>>> the hypervisor (which usually has a complex #GP path), but this forces
>>>> the hypervisor to decode the individual instruction which has faulted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Is that really that expensive? Hard to imagine.
>>>
>>>
>> You have an expensive (16x cost of hypercall on some processors)
>>
>
> Where is the difference comming from? Are you using SYSENTER
> for the hypercall? I can't really see you using SYSENTER,
> because how would you do system calls then? I bet system calls
> are more frequent than in/out, so if you have decide between the
> two using them for syscalls is likely faster.
>
We use sysenter for hypercalls and also for system calls. :)
> Also I fail to see the fundamental speed difference between
>
> mov index,register
> int 0x...
> ...
> switch (register)
> case xxxx: do emulation
>
Int (on p4 == ~680 cycles).
> versus
>
> out ...
> #gp
> -> switch (*eip) {
> case 0xee: /* etc. */
> do emulation
>
GP = ~2000 cycles.
>> to verify protection in the page tables mapping the page allows
>> execution (P, !NX, and U/S check). This is a lot more expensive than a
>>
>
> When the page is not executable or not present you get #PF not #GP.
> So the hardware already checks that.
>
> The only case where you would need to check yourself is if you emulate
> NX on non NX capable hardware, but I can't see you doing that.
>
No, it doesn't. Between the #GP and decode, you have an SMP race where
another processor can rewrite the instruction.
Zach
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-22 17:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-22 5:23 [PATCH] Add I/O hypercalls for i386 paravirt Zachary Amsden
2007-08-22 5:34 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22 5:40 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-08-22 8:37 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22 16:16 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-08-22 6:25 ` Rusty Russell
2007-08-22 10:35 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 9:51 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22 11:08 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 10:23 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22 11:23 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 12:09 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22 13:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 12:32 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22 16:11 ` Jeff Garzik
[not found] ` <1188237281.5972.69.camel@localhost.localdomain>
[not found] ` <46D3C60B.3050605@vmware.com>
2007-08-28 11:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-08-22 6:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-22 6:03 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-08-24 12:20 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-22 10:22 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 16:48 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-08-22 17:59 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 17:07 ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2007-08-22 19:46 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 20:43 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-08-22 22:04 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 21:25 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-22 21:41 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-08-23 5:34 ` Rusty Russell
2007-08-22 21:45 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-08-22 17:34 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-22 21:54 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-08-22 22:15 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2007-08-22 22:20 ` Chris Wright
2007-08-22 22:29 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2007-08-22 22:34 ` Chris Wright
2007-08-22 23:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-08-23 0:47 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-23 0:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-08-23 2:34 ` Andi Kleen
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