From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach-pghWNbHTmq7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
virtualization-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Eric Van Hensbergen
<ericvanhensbergen-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] virtio PCI device
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:32:43 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4745309B.8050404@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1195669377.6352.247.camel-cxY/u30q8FloTgUnLF1by8fTvwmfpRNyZeezCHUQhQ4@public.gmane.org>
Zachary Amsden wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 09:13 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>
>> Where the device is implemented is an implementation detail that should
>> be hidden from the guest, isn't that one of the strengths of
>> virtualization? Two examples: a file-based block device implemented in
>> qemu gives you fancy file formats with encryption and compression, while
>> the same device implemented in the kernel gives you a low-overhead path
>> directly to a zillion-disk SAN volume. Or a user-level network device
>> capable of running with the slirp stack and no permissions vs. the
>> kernel device running copyless most of the time and using a dma engine
>> for the rest but requiring you to be good friends with the admin.
>>
>> The user should expect zero reconfigurations moving a VM from one model
>> to the other.
>>
>
> I think that is pretty insightful, and indeed, is probably the only
> reason we would ever consider using a virtio based driver.
>
> But is this really a virtualization problem, and is virtio the right
> place to solve it? Doesn't I/O hotplug with multipathing or NIC teaming
> provide the same infrastructure in a way that is useful in more than
> just a virtualization context?
>
With the aid of a dictionary I was able to understand about half the
words in the last sentence. Moving from device to device using
hotplug+multipath is complex to configure, available on only some
guests, uses rarely-exercised paths in the guest OS, and only works for
a few types of devices (network and block). Having host independence in
the device means you can change the device implementation for, say, a
display driver (consider, for example, a vmgl+virtio driver, which can
be implemented in userspace or tunneled via virtio-over-tcp to some
remote display without going through userspace, without the guest
knowing about it).
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Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-08 2:46 [PATCH 0/3] virtio PCI driver Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <11944899922822-git-send-email-aliguori-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 2:46 ` [PATCH 1/3] Export vring functions for modules to use Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <11944900141678-git-send-email-aliguori-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 2:46 ` [PATCH 2/3] Put the virtio under the virtualization menu Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <11944900152750-git-send-email-aliguori-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 2:46 ` [PATCH 3/3] virtio PCI device Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <11944900163817-git-send-email-aliguori-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 6:12 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4732A8E5.6090307-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 13:54 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <47331531.8070709-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 14:37 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <47331F47.70304-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 15:06 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <473325EB.5090907-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 15:13 ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-08 23:43 ` Dor Laor
2007-11-08 17:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <200711081846.36821.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-08 19:04 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <47335DC6.7090603-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-09 11:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-09 0:39 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <4733AC3A.20701-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-09 2:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-20 15:01 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-11-20 15:43 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <474300AD.4060509-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-20 16:12 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4743076F.8000105-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-20 22:16 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <47435CCB.1050506-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-21 7:13 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4743DAA4.70800-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-21 18:22 ` Zachary Amsden
[not found] ` <1195669377.6352.247.camel-cxY/u30q8FloTgUnLF1by8fTvwmfpRNyZeezCHUQhQ4@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-22 7:32 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-11-23 16:51 ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4747051C.3090903-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-23 17:47 ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-26 19:18 ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <474B1BF3.20901-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-27 9:02 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <474BDD28.7050801-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-27 9:09 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <474BDEDE.6060603-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-27 9:27 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <474BE319.502-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-27 10:12 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <474BEDAB.3000305-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-27 10:19 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <474BEF28.9010005-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-27 10:28 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <474BF157.3080709-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-11-27 13:27 ` [kvm-devel] " Dor Laor
2007-11-27 9:25 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-08 6:49 ` [PATCH 2/3] Put the virtio under the virtualization menu Avi Kivity
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